looks like the bullet got wedged and when you finally got it to release it pulled from the cartridge case a little bit. Extractor did its job pretty well as the rim still looks pretty clean.Pretty strange looking bullet in that cartridge. From the pictures it doesnt look concentric at all. Might want to notify Federal in case some bad batches of QC slipped out there and someone might have an accident. Could be my eyes playing tricks on me though.
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Mizar
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I don't want to sound rude, but this is the first thing you are supposed to check before doing anything else - if the stuck round is live or not.
I totally agree.
If you don't want to look directly into the barrel you can always use a mirror and a light. That red bullet will help you to see the situation better: its presence or not will be immediately clear to you.
It seems to me that you don't exactly remember the sequence of events. Isn't it by chance that you fired a squib round that got stuck near the muzzle and then a live round that deformed the barrel right there?
That's why it is very important to use a mirror and a light to look inside the barrel through the muzzle.
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No. I was firing controlled pairs, and the the last round fired was almost exactly on target, so it couldn't have been a squib. Also, there was no change in volume or recoil.
So there's a spent case in the chamber and the pistol is cold. If it was mine I'd remove the spent case from the chamber with a brass or a soft steel rod. As I said, if there is a defect in the chamber the problem will recur and at that point you can ship the pistol for warranty repair. But if the flaw was in the ammunition, you're sending the pistol for no real reason.
I used to own a Smith M&P 45 that did the exact same thing when I fired some 255 gr Buffalo Bore hardcast ammo through it. It left an empty case stuck mostly in the chamber but was locked up tight. Since I'd bought it used, I wasn't shy about doing whatever I needed to do to get the slide back.
It did it twice with that ammo but ran perfectly with any other ammo. The same ammo BTW worked fine with every other 45 I owned. I'm pretty confident it was just an ammo incompatibility issue in my case. I eventually sold that pistol, but I currently have another M&P that works fine with the same ammo.
It did it twice with that ammo but ran perfectly with any other ammo. The same ammo BTW worked fine with every other 45 I owned. I'm pretty confident it was just an ammo incompatibility issue in my case. I eventually sold that pistol, but I currently have another M&P that works fine with the same ammo.
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I had this happen several times when i first began powder coating with harbor freight crap powder coat
Maybe my eyeball is crooked but it looks like that bullet is canted in the case to me. I wonder if one side of it pushed back further in the case when you pushed against it with the rod. I'm finding myself suspicious of the ammunition but I could be wrong.
Yes, the bullet is significantly canted to one side. I believe the surface marring on the tip of the bullet is probably from the rod, but the cant to the side is almost certainly why the slide was jammed.
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So, have you eyeballed the rest of that box for other potential eccentric rounds?
I'd be inclined to see if any of the rounds are less-tight fitting. and might upset.
Or, did the follower nose-dived enough to whack the round against the feed ramp?
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Load'er up and back at it then! 
Might want to look into the drill (or other methods) for clearing it without tools if the TRB doesnt work.
Beats standing there with "that look" on your face at a bad moment, like the ones you usually see on peoples faces at the range when their gun stops and they just stand there and stare.
One big advantage with the Dagger is, they are cheap enough to make it easy to have that spare to use as a range gun, that will let you work this sort of stuff out, and not feel bad about being a bit more abusive to it, than you normally might if things this like this happen.
Thats always been what Ive tried to do, at least with those guns I might carry/use. Its the main reason I went from SIG to Glock. More Glocks and accessories for the money.
Might want to look into the drill (or other methods) for clearing it without tools if the TRB doesnt work.
Beats standing there with "that look" on your face at a bad moment, like the ones you usually see on peoples faces at the range when their gun stops and they just stand there and stare.
One big advantage with the Dagger is, they are cheap enough to make it easy to have that spare to use as a range gun, that will let you work this sort of stuff out, and not feel bad about being a bit more abusive to it, than you normally might if things this like this happen.
Thats always been what Ive tried to do, at least with those guns I might carry/use. Its the main reason I went from SIG to Glock. More Glocks and accessories for the money.
Off topic but I do understand not wanting to mess up the finish on a brand new gun. My Dagger is the first firearm I've had with a Duracoat finish. I have wondered how it will hold up. I haven't messed it up yet but I haven't been carrying it.
Well, that's the thing. Just about all the other rounds from those 2 boxes of 50 were fired in my @FM PRODUCTS FM9 pistol. There were no other malfunctions. I certainly didn't notice any rounds that looked "off" while loading.
Load'er up and back at it then!
Might want to look into the drill (or other methods) for clearing it without tools if the TRB doesnt work.
I definitely would have been willing to try more aggressive methods in a firefight! This was one of the three worst stoppages I've had since 1994. The other two (Sub-9, 1999, M4, 2006) were cleared by slamming the butt of the weapon on the ground while holding down on the charging handle.
Ok, I missed the post where you explained that you managed to solve the jam. My fault.
In my opinion it was an out of spec round which had a longer OAL than the maximum allowed for the 9x19. Or it is simply a pistol/ammo compatibility problem which is understandable when using bullets so heavy and with such a long and fat shape.
In my opinion it was an out of spec round which had a longer OAL than the maximum allowed for the 9x19. Or it is simply a pistol/ammo compatibility problem which is understandable when using bullets so heavy and with such a long and fat shape.
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It definitely is a very "full figured round," weighing 150 grains. I guess more shooting will be needed, to see if the problem was/is related to the magazine. Way back in 1993, I had a first generation Glock 21. The legendary Glock reliability was not in effect with the first generation Glocks, but it turns out that it was an issue with the magazines. I had three Magpul magazines, two for Glock 17, and one for Glock 19. I didn't think to mark the magazine that was in the weapon when I had the issue. yet another reminder / lesson learned.
That round was definitely out of alignment, but I don't know if it was out of alignment before being stripped out of the magazine. I'll be sad if I can't use it in the Dagger, just because it was clearly so accurate yet controllable. However, I put at least 60 rounds of that ammo through my FM9 without any problems.
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I wouldnt get too wound up about it just yet. Stuff happens. Shoot it some more and see how it goes. Thats the only way you're going to know.
I dont shoot much of the heavier stuff in my 9mm's, mostly 124 grain, which duplicates what I carry in them. Whats the advantage of that bullet/weight? I take it its a practice round of some type?
I dont shoot much of the heavier stuff in my 9mm's, mostly 124 grain, which duplicates what I carry in them. Whats the advantage of that bullet/weight? I take it its a practice round of some type?
well.. whatever happened glad you got it worked out. Gut feeling is its ammo related. I would do a full disassembly, Inspect the parts for any damage, and just run brass case standard loads to test it and go from there. Major arreas I would be looking at are extractor hook and chamber damage (cracks). The design is sound and PSA is quality but you never know what can slip out from any manufacturer. Even high end manufacturers screw things up once in a while.
I certainly wouldnt give up on your dagger. Those are nice American made pistols.
I certainly wouldnt give up on your dagger. Those are nice American made pistols.
Less recoil. Less powder to make power factor. I shoot mostly 145's in mine.
On a side note, when I got my Dagger I loaded mags with a mix of 115, 124, 145 and 124JHP and it ran them without a hiccup.
I was pleasantly surprised with how accurate mine is.
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Are those plastic mags?
The bullet appears not to be fully seated, as if for some reason a jump crimp happened. It is totally out of spec as far as OAL is concerned. The fact that the same ammunition fired reliably in a different gun is not relevant because it could be an incompatibility between this particular pistol and that particular ammunition. It may be, as you say, a question of magazines but it could also be a question of design whereby the ammunition enters the chamber at an angle that is not particularly compatible with such a long and stubby bullet. On the other hand, it is not surprising that such problems can happen with these ammunition that use bullets with a weight and shape so different from the canonical 9x19 bullets.
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I think Harbor Freight might need to hire some better marketing folks to name their products, though that does sound pretty descriptive.
I think Harbor Freight might need to hire some better marketing folks to name their products, though that does sound pretty descriptive.
You know its crap before you ever walk through the door... They get you on Price point alone.
CapnMac
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And, you had said that before in OP.
I was just thinking of how my OCD would have kicked in. (And I should not project my assumptions on others--durr)
I know I'd have a reflex to dig out some 115 & 124 FMJ to see if it's merely a bullet profile issue.
I'd probably raid my supply of rando JHP as a profile test, too.
Mind, I keep a hank of 5/16" (7.9mm) wood dowel to hand in the range bag, lest I want a "pusher."
I have heard that Daggers can be ammunition "sensitive" but this is still the most extreme example I've seen of late.
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I consider one of those that will work with every firearms you take to be an essential part of the range bag. Can turn a day ending problem into just a few minute setback.
Nowadays me and my shooter partner seem to work on other people's guns at the range more than we do our own. I am honestly surprised how many people don't bring anything but their firearms and some ammo to the range. Nothing to spot with, no stapler, no tools, etc....
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