I need a scope for an AR 10

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Maybe I will get the super sniper, everyone keeps telling me to do so.:)

This is my dilemma is while I have multiple places that I shoot, with pretty much infinite distances to shoot, but my main range is only 100 yards...If I got a 20 power super sniper and shot at 100 yards is that going to be OK?

Also, what rings/base do I need for it on an LR-308B?

Thanks alot guys.
 
What you give up with higher power optics is speed. If you just plan on shooting at single targets then it won't matter. If you plan to hunt or engage multiple targets at different ranges you might be better with a varible(or lower fixed) power optic.

A 20x will make your 100yd target appear 5yds away(duh). The benifits of a 20x optic might be reaped at longer distances. I think you might think about splitting the difference and looking at the 16x if your going to be shooting at 100yds. I'm in the same boat and am stuck with the 10x, wish I had the 16x.
 
Thanks Will.

Pardon me if this is a stupid question, but is there a correct power to use when aiming at something at 100yards? 200 yards? etc.

I'd hate to get a 10 power super sniper, but then not have enough scope when I want to shoot at longer distances.

What makes the super sniper such a good buy?
 
If you can swing $500, I've posted a Nikon Tactical 2.5-10x in the for sale section. I upgraded to a USO.
 
There is no "correct power" for any particular range, just different applications(semantics I know). I use my fixed 10x on my savage .308 and it works fine but when I'm testing new loads from a bench I feel like it might be easier to get tighter groups with a higher powered scope.

Your field of view(area in view) with a higher powered scope is going to be less than with a scope with lower magnification. So if you had two targets seven feet apart at 100yds you could see them both with the 10x but probably not with the 20x, therefore it would be easier to switch back and forth to each target with out having to acquire it in your field of view.

If I had to do it over again I would get the 16x as I'm not doing any tactical matches or anything where I would be switching back and forth between targets. If you aren't going to be needing fast target acquisition(which most casual shooters don't) I'd say go for the higher power optic. I use a 22x on my DPMS .308 and it makes it a lot easier to "aim small".

What makes the SS such a good buy is that it is quality glass that is made affordable due to its low production cost. Being that its a fixed power objective it makes it a lot easier to manufacture. Another good feature of the SS is that it's a fixed mildot reticle which can be used in conjunction with an analog calculator ( http://www.mildot.com/ ) to estimate range. I'm not sure if you can do this with a variable mildot as the size of the hash marks would be different in size the more you increase the magnification.

I don't think you'll need to buy a base, just get some rings(30mm for the SS) with at least 20 MOA of elevation and you'll be fine. If I was you I'd get the 16x(thats what I wish I had done). The SS is also built to NATO spec. The target knobs are a little gummy on mine but it doesn't bother me(doesn't effect proformance) and I heard they've fixed this with the newer models.

Heres a couple of links that I've learned a whole lot from. Zak Smith has a plethora of knowledge on high power/long range shooting and has a bunch of free info on the net. A lot of the equipment he uses is waaaay out of my price range but there is great info none the less.

http://demigodllc.com/articles.php
http://www.6mmbr.com/index.html
http://www.gunblast.com/SWFA_Super_Sniper.htm (ss review)
 
Yeah, I believe I am going to go with the SS 16x...I think that will pretty much do everything I'll want it for.

Thanks for all of the good info Will.

Is there a brand of rings that are better than others, or are they all about the same?
 
Sir, save yourself some aggravation and get Badger Ordnance rings or Leupold tactical rings. Lap the rings to guarantee concentricity between them, mount the scope and go shoot something. Unless you shoot from the 500yd. line at Redbrush or have access to alot of private land I would go with the 10x instead.

BK6
 
While I don't have a membership to Redbrush yet, I will when I get my NRA membership(required)...So I want to get something that will allow me to shoot at 500+ yards, but also won't be a hastle to shoot at 100 yds.
 
I've heard great things about Badger Ordnance rings, a lot of guys use them on their 50's so they must hold up. I'm using some Ken Farrell rings and not had any problems http://www.kenfarrell.com/0030MM-H-ALB.html . An idea I've been throwing around lately is getting a Larue quick detach mount and that way I could use one scope on multiple rifles. I've heard nothing but good things about them and their ability to hold zero after being reattached.

"this is a great mount for the AR10 and SR25 Carbines" - http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=42
 
For no more than $300 it's hard to beat the Super Sniper series. If you'll chip in an extra $100 you can get a 4x16 Sightron or Bushnell Elite 4200, seem to always be well reviewed scopes.
 
I have Sightron SIIs on my AR10s and AR15s and most of my bolt guns. They are excellent scopes that will take a pounding.

The 3x-9x/42 generally sells for $200. I am fond of their 1.5x-6x/42 for my hunting ARs; being able to dial down to 1.5x is handy in the woods.

Do a search here and in the Firearms Accessories forums for Sightron.
 
Here's an article from our own George Hill, on good scopes for low prices.

Mad Ogre's Scope Picks

Bushnell Elite 3200 4-12: $299.99. This one has the parallax focus out on the objective bell. It has a decent eye relief for varminting and target shooting. Match this one up with a Savage or a Vanguard and you've got a good package without spending a lot of money.
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Nightforce: Good link and interesting read. I have some of the upper end scopes on his list and my favorite is still the burris fullfield2. I have done just about everything with this scope. It has been from Argentina to the jungles of Panama all the way north to Maine with no problems. I know it can handle the heat and the cold even with high moisure without fogging. Heck it even handled the airlines (killed 2 of my other scopes, this one was always the back-up which became the primary in several trips). I have shot it on several 308's, a 243, and an AR at work. I keep it in my trunk for a few weeks wrapped in a rag just to see if it will still work. It has never failed. Just my 2 cents...
 
The only thing I can tell you about rings is to not skimp. Get quality ones by reputable manufacturers, and for a .308, definitely get steel. Also, make sure to get the correct size, either 1" or 30mm.

Unfortunately, I don't know enough about rings to know which are good and which should be avoided. The height of the rings is subjective, so it's hard to say which is best. It depends on the stock of your rifle and how you hold it. It might be best to find a gun shop with a reputable scope mounting service and buy the rings from them, then have them mounted for you. Do apply BLUE Loc-Tite to all scope ring screws, though.

Hopefully other members more knowledgeable will chime in. :eek:
 
I use the Leupold alloy 'Weaver SeeThru Rifleman' rings on my scoped AR10s and AR15s. They have the correct height (no additional risers needed), don't upset the balance, and have never disturbed zero or given me any pause.

If I were going to drag the AR10 thru unfriendly boonies as my sole means of self-defense, I would probably opt for something more substantive. But for hunting and range, the Leupold rings work well and can be had at WallyWorld for $20.

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ETA - I have tried lots of steel 'non-tactical' Weaver scope rings (Burris, Millet, etc.) and they all left me disappointed in some fashion. If you're not going to get a full-on steel 1913-spec mount, the Rifleman see-thru rings are probably your best bet.
 
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Thanks bernie,

That may be the way to go right now, since I am dropping so much $$$ right now on rifle, scope, and ammo...Then later on I can drop $120-200 on the correct ones.
 
Hello,

with that rifle , if it was me i would go with a vari scope 3X9 , 4X12 , 4X16
on mounts that rifle has the extended rail , on scope mounts either Burris extreme rings in med height or a one pce mount from one of the makers will do , with the one pce mount you will be able to move the scope more forward if needed depending on the eye relief of the scope used .

for myself i have used the fixed 10 pwr scopes aka sniper scopes i have found in most cases that was a poor choice unless i was shooting longer ranges . my choice in scopes that i use now 4X16X50 , 5X22X56 & 8X32X56 mm these pwrs meet my needs from 10 yds to 1K

on the DPMS after setting up your optics needs to get the most out of that rifle you need to replace that trigger i use a reworked trigger from Bill Springfield for around 49.00 it's the best money you can spend on a trigger job .

TS2

DPMS LR308
CSC 4X16X50 mm
Burris tac med rings
Bill Springfield trigger 2 3/4 lbs.
Harris BRS
my custom grip
my cheek rest
my vented tube
my paint
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Targetshooter: That is an interesting paint job, mind if I as how did you do it? I have to agree with the varible power. I had such a hard time trying to aquire a running target with my scope at 16mag. I had to adjust it down to find it and then it was too late. I guess I might have missed it, but what are you planning on using the rifle for? That can help you decide. I use mine in the field and like options that a fixed power does not provide. The rings are another story and you will hear a lot about that. The argument of steel vers aluminum. Both work well if they are made well. A lot of people prefere steel over aluminum, but good aluminum rings will server you better then cheap steel. Is weight an issue? That will point you in another direction as to the type of scope and rings. The larger magnification scopes tend to be heavier then lower power. Lots of options. I made the big mistake of getting really beefy rings and a very big scope. That on top of a large 308 with a bull barrel and now I have a great gun that I cannot use very well when I hunt unless it is from a stand that I can rest the gun on. I started missing a lot of game while walking around trying to swing that beast on a moving target. It is just a few things to think about. The end results are get the best that you can afford. If you need to wait, then wait a month or so. If not you could spend more money replacing parts that are not up to your par and a lot of wasted ammo finding that out. Just my opinion...
 
Are these the rings you are talking about?

for myself i have used the fixed 10 pwr scopes aka sniper scopes i have found in most cases that was a poor choice unless i was shooting longer ranges . my choice in scopes that i use now 4X16X50 , 5X22X56 & 8X32X56 mm these pwrs meet my needs from 10 yds to 1K
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I keep thinking this myself...I'm just not sure if a fixed 16x is the right decision for me, but I definately want the option to go 16x if needbe.

Everyone just keeps telling me that the Super Sniper is the best scope for the $$$.

Jeez, decisions decisions.:)
 
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