I never truly thought it would happen, but it did.

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Ride, very good suggestion!
I second it, move to another apartment. Second or third floor is safer.
Good job. Your okay and that;s what matters.
 
Sounds like the SHTF and you kept your cool. Very admirable indeed. I'm glad no one was killed and that the cops appeared on your side.

Without telling you what to do, I would be curious to know:
If you were to do it again, what coniditon would you have the rifle in the case? My rifles (that I have ready for defense, not those in the case in the closet) have the mag loaded and inserted, chamber empty, with safety on, out of the case.
If it happened again would you still have it cased and w/o a mag inserted?

I'm sorry this happened to you and I'm glad it turned out ok.
 
If I were you I would consider asking the Apartment Managment to let you move to a different apartment for obvious reasons.
I think that would be a very good idea. It sounds like the intruder didn't get a look at you, so they'd have no way to know where you moved.
 
They also told me I should have just shot the guy.

But then you would have had to clean your gun.

Seriously, though, great job. I'm glad you're okay and those scumbags won't be back unless they are incredibly stupid. But they just might be, so +1 on seeing if you can move to a different apartment nearby in the complex.
 
The sound of the cocking-lever slamming back into position must have made the dirtbag scared crapless, because I believe he just fell straight on his a#$ after hearing that sound.

To all of those who do not believe a bolt riding home or a shotgun being racked isnt a familiar sound to crooks read this 2 Xs.
 
You did good.

I have a problem with vandalism in my neighborhood. Unfortunately, MA does not think you have the right to protect your property along with your life, so I cannot shoot someone who is damaging my property. It would be nice if the vandals had something to fear, but in my little happy liberal upper middle class part of town, most of these people have never touched a gun, so the crooks think it is easy pickings...until they break into my house.

Glad you are OK.
 
Revolvers are inherently safe, yet ready. My Kel-Tec and my Ruger DA decocker give me the willies tho...
Aren't DAO kel-tecs inherently safe? They "cock as you pull the trigger"...
 
NavyLT said:
After our home invasion my wife carried a .45 all the time around the house. She is very very good at using it too. I came home one night about 9:00pm and forgot to signal her that it was me in the garage. I came in to the kitchen from the garage and she was at the opposite end of the kitchen in ready stance, I was looking squarely down the business end.

Shortly after I got married, years ago, I came home early from working the graveyard shift to find my wife behind the door with a child's foam pool toy, ready to whack me with it :D I'll never forget the look on her face! If she'd have had access to a gun at that time, I'd have been in real trouble! Never fear, she has long since become proficient with more effective tools.

To the original post: You did just fine. If the need ever arises, I can only hope to do as well. My PTR91 is at the back of the safe... I keep a poodle shooter and a handgun for times of need. Since I have kids, shooting a .308 in the house seems like a bad idea. To each their own, I won't fault you for your choice!
 
I second it, move to another apartment. Second or third floor is safer.

You'd think but I had some numbskulls living below me in an apartment complex that climbed my balcony and up to the third floor balcony to knock the plants and bbq grill off my upstairs neighbors balcony. Wouldn't have been too difficult to go into the apartment from there.
 
When you said his arm reached in and tried to unlock the latch, I had images of the alien in Signs reaching around the kid in the basement. Scary stuff.

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Apartment/condo dwelling is the PITS. When I was a teenager we had an attempted invasion at my place. Heard stomping up the stairs, then watched as our LOCKED doorknob started turning. My mom bolted to the door and put all her weight against it before I knew what the heck was going on. A couple minutes later the cops showed up and asked if we knew where the guy went. Seems they were chasing him, and he tried to force his way in to evade.
 
I hope you all stay safe out there. I think I'm going to start carrying at home now instead of just having my rifle near me. The world truly is becoming a frightening place


I'm not trying to be disrespectful or to minimize the impact of that which you have just experienced.

But YOUR WORLD is becoming a frightening place. Let's keep things in perspective.

I know that what happened to you was frightening, but it affects YOUR WORLD not mine, at least until something happens to me. And if it happens to me, it does not mean 'the world is becoming a frightening place', only 'MY WORLD'.

I live in a place where that will likely never happen. I know all about apartment life, but now I live in the country on six acres with an electric gate and a bunch of horses. I'm telling you this not to impress you or others but to illustrate that I STILL HAVE a .357 under the bed, a 12 gauge always at the ready, and another handgun readlily accessible in the kitchen. You just never know...
 
Good job. I once had to clear my house, just me and my shotgun. In my case, turned out to be nothing. I can't imagine how fast my heart would beat if it were actually something, as in your case.
 
If you were to do it again, what coniditon would you have the rifle in the case? My rifles (that I have ready for defense, not those in the case in the closet) have the mag loaded and inserted, chamber empty, with safety on, out of the case.
If it happened again would you still have it cased and w/o a mag inserted?

I'd want the mag inserted most likely, although again, the speed with which I had the weapon ready was very quick. Getting the case open was what took all the time, which is why I keep it out of the case, mag in, no round chambered at night now, and in the safe during the day.

I second it, move to another apartment. Second or third floor is safer.

Yeah, I have been talking with management about moving to an apartment on the second floor. The move should take place soon.

I'm not trying to be disrespectful or to minimize the impact of that which you have just experienced.

But YOUR WORLD is becoming a frightening place. Let's keep things in perspective.

I know that what happened to you was frightening, but it affects YOUR WORLD not mine, at least until something happens to me. And if it happens to me, it does not mean 'the world is becoming a frightening place', only 'MY WORLD'.

I live in a place where that will likely never happen. I know all about apartment life, but now I live in the country on six acres with an electric gate and a bunch of horses. I'm telling you this not to impress you or others but to illustrate that I STILL HAVE a .357 under the bed, a 12 gauge always at the ready, and another handgun readlily accessible in the kitchen. You just never know...

None taken. Crime tends to be a rather urban problem, though I'm sure it exists in rural areas. My statement of the world becoming a frightening place was based off of all the recent home-invasion/crime stories posted here and in the general forum. The one about the California woman in the affluent neighborhood being gunned down while on the phone with the police was particularly upsetting.
 
Of course, what makes the news is not the commonplace, but, in many instances, the weird, aberrant, shocking or horrible things people do to one another. It's in the news because it does not reflect the normal state of affairs.

But when one is inundated with such stories, one must keep in perspective how many people get shot in schools, for instance. I did read that it's very rare, despite the headlines, which can cause most of us to believe the numbers may be high in that area, when they're not, statistically.

I'm very tired so if I'm not expressing myself very well, I apologize.
 
I think I agree with what you're trying to say. Usually I take news articles with a grain of salt, and say, "Well, the probability of that actually happening is so low, why the big deal?"

That was the reason I titled my thread how I did. Before this happened, I legitimately felt that home-invasions were just things you'd see in the news, and the possibility of it happening to me was just an afterthought. I did order SD rounds, however, in response to hearing the story of one of my friends being robbed. That brought it much closer to home.

Now, I think I'm the 5th person that I know who has had a break-in this year! It seems that there's almost an epidemic this year.
 
The HK-91 is a great gun (I have a PTR-91 and am now mostly satisfied with it, mostly) but I do not believe it is an appropiate weapon for home/property defense in anything other than a decidedly rural environment. Even with a hollow point round you are still looking at some serious over-penetration, particularly as the hollow point will fill up with dry wall, bits of plastics, clothing, blood, tissue, etc... If you fire a 308 rifle in an apartment, expect it to do some serious over-penetration.

I keep an AR-15 near my bed, with a mag of hollow points loaded in it, but I only plan to use that if I have to fend off people who have managed not to go down from 16 rounds of 9mm Hydra-Shock, and I only plan to fire at a downward angle so that if it overpenetrates it just goes through them, or through the wall and into the grass outside, or it goes into the basement where nobody is... Basically the AR-15 comes into play if I need to fire from the top of the stairs, down, at whoever is at the bottom or trying to come up the stairs.


The only time you'd get me to use a battle rifle or a carbine for home defense would be if I had nothing else, or if the enemies were very numerous or wearing body armor. If a half-dozen gangsters were to crash into my house, you can bet your rear I'd have that AR-15 chambered and engage the first one to the upstairs with the rifle, ending his crime spree with a 75 grain hollow point.
 
My general rule with rifles is that I store them with the magazine loaded, the magazine inserted in the rifle (except in cases where there is not enough room in my safe- mind you most of my rifles are stored in my safe, all of them when I am not home) with the safety on.

Although sometimes I leave the safety off as long as I personally know and have confirmed that the chamber is empty, since my ultimate safety is my mind, my index finger, and the fact that the chamber is empty.

Having to flick a safety off is just one more thing that you don't want to have to do when you're trying to get a weapon into a useful condition for saving your life.
 
Robert Hairless-

Sometime in the 1970s in New York City, about 200 people agreed to put signs in their yards which read something to the affect of "WE DO NOT HAVE GUNS, WE DO NOT BELIEVE IN VIOLENCE" and within about two weeks all of the signs were taken down as 90% of them had been victims of robberies, burglaries, home invasions, rapes, and a few had been killed. Their stated goal had been to show how wrong violence was and how guns were unnecessary in a healthy "civilized" society.
 
Gunsmith: try out your peltors in your house, and make sure you can tell which direction noises come from.

We had them issued to us, and after the first couple firefights we were in stopped using them because we lost a lot of situational awareness...We could hear things, but couldn't tell where noises, gunshots, etc. were coming from until we took the headsets off.

Just my 2 cents,
 
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