I think I may have been totally wrong...

[Dibbs]

Terrible comparison, a hysterical argument.

Well I disagree, I feel it's a very valid argument. First you blindside 38, by making the comparison with
the most disadvantageous bullet weight possible, then you run with the supposition that clearly infers
38 is a less than capable caliber.

I don't really have a dog in this hunt. I have more 9mm pistols than any other type gun. But I've also
done my own crude backyard ballistics comparisons. Have you? Simply put, 9mm is not 38 Special or .357.
9mm is an extremely efficient cartridge. Georg Luger certainly hit upon a cartridge of the future, when
he designed it. But, IMO, it's simply not an objective comparison.

 

[TTv2]

Backup? What happened to the two shot statistics from your post #14?

Murphy's law: If a gun can fail, it will.

I can see you don't use moon clips that much. Sometimes you have to deal with cases that expand in the cylinder enough to cause resistance during extraction. 9mm pressures are about 2x that of 38 spl. You also have to keep the cylinders much cleaner than a mag or mag well to prevent that. Lots of people who shoot 45 ACP in revolvers don't like moon clips and use 45 auto rim for that reason.

9mm Para just wasn't designed to be used in a revolver. If it was there would be a 9mm auto rim cartridge, which of course there isn't. That probably should tell you something right there.

I have a .45 ACP/Colt Redhawk and have shot a lot of ACP using the moon clips in that and the only time I've had issues extracting the cases was with steel case.

Lulz, "I don't use moon clips that much."

The idea that pressure causes difficulty in case extraction is preposterous, if that were the case, .357 would be even more difficult to extract than 9mm because there's more surface contact with the chamber walls and the brass given the .357's longer case. If that were the case, the S&W R8 would require a hammer being pounded on the ejector rod to extract the cases because it uses moon clips and the cylinder holds 8 rounds.

Since you're ignorant to quite a few things, I feel I should enlighten you that there was a 9mm rimmed case back in the 80s called 9mm Federal and it was made for Charter Arms for one of their revolvers. Charter went out of business soon after introducing the 9mm Federal revolver and Federal Cartridge stopped making the ammo soon after.

 

[CoalTrain49]

Charter went out of business soon after introducing the 9mm Federal revolver and Federal Cartridge stopped making the ammo soon after.

Well, there you go.

I never said it was never produced. I said there isn't (as in not in production) a 9mm auto rim cartridge. There is no brass available either.

If that were the case, the S&W R8 would require a hammer being pounded on the ejector rod to extract the cases because it uses moon clips and the cylinder holds 8 rounds.

The R8 has a 5" barrel and target sights. AKA a range/comp pistol. Nobody is using those as a carry gun and you won't find anyone using one competing with an autoloader when time is a consideration. On average, times for revolver reloads is double that of an auto.

I think you may be missing the entire concept of an auto loader for SD here. The primary reason people carry those (including police) is there is no action required to unload one. They unload themselves.

If you insist the 9mm revolver is a relevant SD thing I'm sure I won't dissuade you, so carry what you wish. Just don't try to convince everyone else that it's a superior EDC. If they were Glock and Sig would go out of business.

OAO.

 

[TTv2]

Well, there you go.

I never said it was never produced. I said there isn't (as in not in production) a 9mm auto rim cartridge. There is no brass available either.

You can't blame a cartridge that had no time to gain a following because a company went out of business. I don't even know how many of those 9mm revolvers Charter made, but they were so few in number it would have been a waste for Federal or any other ammo manufacturer to load for a rimmed 9mm based on the low number of revolvers that were produced.

The R8 has a 5" barrel and target sights. AKA a range/comp pistol. Nobody is using those as a carry gun and you won't find anyone using one competing with an autoloader when time is a consideration. On average, times for revolver reloads is double that of an auto.

Wow, wrong again. The R8 was designed specifically for use with SWAT teams, AKA combat, for the officer behind and holding a ballistic shield.

I think you may be missing the entire concept of an auto loader for SD here. The primary reason people carry those (including police) is there is no action required to unload one. They unload themselves.

Wow, WRONG AGAIN! The reason police carry autoloaders is because they have higher capacities so that they likely won't have to reload during a shooting. Also, back when departments were tasked with moving to autloaders, they got killer deals from Glock, so when they had to upgrade their guns, they went with Glocks that cost hundreds less and since most cops have trained only on pistols and not revolvers the past 30 years, police aren't looking to switch back to expensive revolvers that their officers aren't as well experienced with.

 

[9mmepiphany]

I think tempers are getting a bit heated on this issue and Page 3 might be a good place to put this one to bed

 

[MrBorland]

I think tempers are getting a bit heated on this issue and Page 3 might be a good place to put this one to bed

Agreed