If Ca bans assault weapons, consider a lever action as an alternative

[Gordon]

Now that's a carbine. Semi-auto and no plastic.

Except they will be banned too by latest "law" if mag is removable and there are no 10 round mags for them . Yeah I know , I pop riveted a few back down to 10 rounds.

 

[labnoti]

What? Are you comparing the carbine to a revolver?

An M1 will throw a 110 gr. bullet about 2000 fps out of a 20" barrel. Some .357 loads will throw a 158 gr. bullet out of an 18" carbine faster than that, but even standard green and white box 125's will easily exceed 2000 fps.

There are M1 .30 cal. revolvers and the .30 caliber cartridge does not come close to the .357 out of a short barrel.

The G1 B.C. of an M1 ball round is about .178. Hornady's XTP in .357 Magnum is .206.

 

[CoalTrain49]

Except they will be banned too by latest "law" if mag is removable and there are no 10 round mags for them . Yeah I know , I pop riveted a few back down to 10 rounds.

I think the NY Safe act lets you have an original magazine (42-45 production) if you register it with local LE. Some states set aside the relics when they ban semi-auto rifles and mags.

I've kept mine for that reason but as you say it could just as easily be contraband right along with an AR.

I'm not up to speed on CA bill.

 

[GEM]

We know the law stinks but that’s not the topic. Let’s stay on the gun recommendations

 

[CoalTrain49]

Again we have no idea what the OP’s son is currently using his AR for and if a lever action would be a suitable replacement.

He's probably robbing banks and 7/11's with it. Kamala Harris would know. In which case a lever rifle will work just fine. Might shave a few years off of his sentence.

 

[Nuclear]

A BLR in 223 might be a reasonable substitute for an AR. Of course, it only has the capacity of 4 rounds.

 

[eastbank]

these. a pump begs for the job, easy to handle and comes in quite a few calibers, easy to load and unload, you don,t have to take your finger off the trigger to work the action and uses factory 4-5 round magizines with 10 round magizines available(760-7600,s).

 

[Snidely70431]

Why not a bolt action? The British Empire fought all of its wars from 1885 through 1957 with the Short Magazine Lee Enfield (SMLE). The 5.56 NATO round is a pipsqueak anyway.

 

[JTHunter]

It's a darn shame what US citizens have to go through in Ca. I have a good friend that lives there (for now).

Hawaii is even worse. They are a "may issue" state and they won't even answer a FOIA request at to how many (or few) CCPs they have approved.

 

[JTHunter]

When I was looking for a lever action (nostalgia) to accommodate my 357 mag. revolvers, I read about the Ruger 77/357. I was/am sold on the idea of a bolt action more than the lever action. Sure, levers hold some childhood fondness, Rifleman, and the old westerns. But as was pointed out by jmr40 in an earlier post, if shooting from concealment, the bolt generally allows for a lower profile. If a squib were to get stuck in the barrel, I could go at it from either end to clear by removing the bolt. And the 77/357 only weights in at 5.5 lbs. Eventually, I plan on getting the 77/44. In rifle cartridge, I only have the 8x57 in bolt action, and more than enough ammo and reloading supplies for my lifetime.

Doesn't the 77/357 use the rotary magazine like the 10/22? And doesn't it only hold 5 rounds, less than most revolvers?

 

[JTHunter]

A hit with a 22LR beats a miss with a 45-70

That's why I have both 30 & 50 round Ram-Line mags for my 10/22.

 

[kcofohio]

Doesn't the 77/357 use the rotary magazine like the 10/22? And doesn't it only hold 5 rounds, less than most revolvers?

Yes, yes, and probably yes.

But add a couple extra magazines or so,....

 

[GEM]

Again I have to remove off topic BS.
Reading comprehension seems not be some people’s strong point.

 

[Gordon]

Well I find it a repugnant subject to grovel to tyranny, maybe because it's because it's my home. I love lever guns. The best " defensive" one I own and went through a course with, is a first year of production Marlin 94 in .357 with an Aim point m-2 on an Ashley Outdoor set up.

 

[coloradokevin]

I didn't answer the poll because I think he should keep the AR-15, and not try to replace its function with a lever gun, a bolt action, or any other type of rifle that isn't designed to function like the AR-15 does.

 

[JTHunter]

I didn't answer the poll because I think he should keep the AR-15, and not try to replace its function with a lever gun, a bolt action, or any other type of rifle that isn't designed to function like the AR-15 does.

As the OP mentions that the son lives in CA, the rather high possibility of AR/AK style firearms being outlawed can't be ignored. That's why they were looking for alternatives. The son may be FORCED to replace it OR move out of state.

 

[coloradokevin]

As the OP mentions that the son lives in CA, the rather high possibility of AR/AK style firearms being outlawed can't be ignored. That's why they were looking for alternatives. The son may be FORCED to replace it OR move out of state.

Political nonsense aside, a lever gun doesn’t replace the functionality of the AR-15 as a defensive weapon. Whether or not someone is giving up their AR-15 is another question entirely, but I thought the OP was asking if a lever gun would be a reasonable substitute... I’d argue that these are two entirely different classes of weapons, with different purposes.

Nevertheless, if I couldn’t have an AR-15 I’d go with a shotgun instead of a lever gun.

 

[Picher]

Please excuse this information on a "Rifle" page:

I think the shotgun is a better home defense weapon than an AR because if you decide to fire at someone beyond shotgun range, you can get into trouble with the law. They can say that you're not defending, but being the aggressor, especially if they're leaving the area. A semi-auto rifle that has a 10+ round capacity may also be suspect.

(We used to be told that if you must shoot someone in your house, make sure they don't get outside or you'll be in trouble...if they get out, drag them back in.)

Firing at 100 yards or some long distance from your home/business will be construed as your being the aggressor, so a shotgun with small buckshot or goose loads would be a better house weapon IMHO. Penetration beyond one room is lessened and it causes near-instant debilitation...greater than individual military rounds in a .223.

Number 1 buckshot in a 12 gauge has been a favorite over the years, but number 2 goose shot loads are pretty darned good and won't penetrate as many walls.

I keep a 12 gauge semi-auto with an 18" barrel pretty handy (along with other guns) and am confident it would do a "more-than-adequate" job.

 

[GEM]

I regret that despite my best efforts, this continue to go off the rails. I can't see having another long set of posts arguing about the opinions in the last post.
Rather than prolonging this agony, I hope the OP has gleaned enough info about suitable lever actions guns to make the decision that was the point of the OP.

Closed.