If there were to be a nuclear attack tomorrow by terrorists on an American city?

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In the last four years, the most horrific scenario – a nuclear attack or dirty bomb on an American city – may be the least discussed.

Q: If there were to be a nuclear attack tomorrow by terrorists on an American city, how would it be handled?

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51648



A: In fact, though, the biggest surprise for most Americans, if nukes are really unleashed, is that they will still be here!





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That's what this is all about... our children!


WHAT TO DO IF A NUCLEAR DISASTER IS IMMINENT!
http://www.ki4u.com/guide.htm




This guide was purposely designed with the sober realization that the overwhelming majority of our fellow Americans would not be compelled to read such a guide until a nuclear crisis was imminent and, unfortunately, their preparation options and time to prepare then would be very limited. www.ki4u.com and other survival equipment suppliers will again be quickly sold-out, as all were after 9/11. This guide then will be the best/only help that we can offer. If you are fortunate enough to be exploring your family preparation needs and options before such a future national crisis, there is much more that you can and should do now to insure that they are even better prepared.



Print this guide NOW before you need it!

Also remember you friends and neighbors forward the email and or print a couple of these guides to handout to others if the time ever arises.


http://www.ki4u.com/guide.pdf



Civil Defense Nuclear Mitigation Information

Video Information.


Know What To Do!

How to shelter in place in your home!


Civil Defense films made during the Cold War. Old fashioned, but tactics of radiation protection are timeless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dobys9s9f2w
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1528313029232126903&q=duck+cover&hl=en
http://www.archive.org/stream/AboutFal1963/AboutFal1963_256kb.mp4


Print a couple of these guides to handout to others if the time ever arises.

http://www.ki4u.com/guide.pdf


Equipment:





Other Information

Disaster Preparedness Videos

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utaTZr6mpzw&mode=related&search=
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrHhsBkfVzY&mode=related&search=
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge4Cs_6Vy8k&mode=related&search=
Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzzwaOuZ3LQ&mode=related&search=








Links to Organizations

http://www.physiciansforcivildefense.org/
 
Ironically I printed out that ki4u website 2 years ago. It is in with my BOB in my basement. Definately something everyone should read and absorb. I assume unlike a regular missile attack, there will be very little or no warning of a terrorist nuke attack. If you live next to ground zero, your toast anyway. Its best to know the basics of how to shelter and protect yourself from fallout. I'm in the suburbs of a large city, far enough away that a small nuke blast will not kill me or do damage to my home, But I'm definately going to have a lot of fallout. Thanks to that site I already have a plan if it happens.
 
Let's keep the conversation focused on the practical what-to-do aspects instead of the theoretical what's-the-potential-of-it question.

BTW, I worked at ORNL in the '70's and was able to meet Mr. Kearny. I still have a signed copy of NWSS from him.
 
Well, unless it's in my backyard or I'm downwind, I won't be doing much of anything. The explosion itself is likely to be a non-event, it's any rioting, looting, lawlessness, supply shortages, et.al. later on that you have to watch for.

Now, if it's full-scale M.A.D, I can kiss my happy tail goodbye because I'm only a few clicks outside Oak Ridge and a few other likely strategic targets.
 
Since i live about 30 miles as the crow flies south of NYC, i'll batten down the hatches and hope for the best. There will doubtless be no warning prior to the event, and there is no way i'll be able to get out of here once it does happen, since the local highways will all be gridlocked parking-lots within an hour afterwards anyway. At 30 miles, the big bang itself won't hurt me, and the prevailing winds in this area should keep any fallout well away from me. Wish me luck.
 
That manual is clearly invalid.

It has no tips for finding buttless leather chaps in your correct size after the apocalypse.

Seriously, people, let's work on the fundamentals, first!
 
Uh, Make a road trip, get all my kids on the farm. Every kid gets a potassium iodide pill immediately and 3 more times that day, basically going on dosage schedule for the dose of pills I have.

Fill up any unused gas tanks, depending on the size of the gas lines. If the lines are long, just go home with the kids. Already have fuel storage, I would just like to have more.

Move brother to my house from his farm to help keep a watch out, all of my family's farms are adjoining.

Readiness check weapons. Cook dinner. watch news. If electricity goes out, stark jerking meat from freezer on propane grill. Continue listening to news on windup radio, and break out the kerosene lamps.

Having a year supply of food for eight people in storage makes for a good tranquilizer.

Not in a primary target zone, nor a secondary target zone. Enough experience in the nuclear field not to freak over a few stray neutrons.

I know what I am going to do when the ball goes up. What are the rest of you going to do?
 
Make a road trip, get all my kids on the farm.
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Could be a long trip. :uhoh: Good idea to get out before it happens. Which is hard to do in the case of terrorism.

It's better to live somewhere you can just hunker down and wait ............
 

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We're likely going to face bus bombings, cars with bombs driving into crowds, buildings, etc like Israel than any form of nuclear attack.
 
Carpettbaggerr

The whole run to pick up the kids can be done on back roads, many of them dirt roads. 75 miles round trip in rural Oklahoma, It sounds like a long distance, but it really isnt.

They live with their mother. I live on a farm.

Not a biggie as far as a PSHTF trip goes.
 
"The All Father wove the skein of your life long ago. Hide in a hole if you like, but you won't live one instant longer".

From The 13th Warrior and an old Norse Philosophy

A short life and a merry one, I say.:)

Biker
 
OK, back roads and dirt roads probably won't have much traffic. Of course, I also doubt terrorists would be targeting rural Oklahoma. ;)
 
This thread doesn't look like it's getting any good new info to the forum so I'm going to lock it by tomorrow if no more useful discussion comes along.

What we do know is that the panic is the greatest hazard. There are prompt measures you can take to deal with the fallout. Those measures fall into 2 broad categories.

You can evac or shelter in place in an event like this. Both require you to have planned for it and both require you to act immediately. Both require you to know the "ground zero" location with respect to your location. Both require you to know if you are down wind or not. Both have the highest chances of coming out ok if you are not down wind within 50 miles of ground zero.

Sheltering in place requires you to shut off the HVAC and to get as deep into the building as possible to prevent dust from outside getting in. This also requires you to have the supplies in place to make shelting in place feasable. You'll need to shelter for a minimum of 3 days and possibly 3 weeks.

Evac requires you to get out of the downwind plume. You have to know what the wind direction is, the centerline of the plume and the direction of movement of the plume. It also means that you've got to be able to not get stuck in a traffic jam in the plume path. That means knowing your routes and alternate routes and having the fuel to get out of Dodge. It may also mean having the nerve to stay in the car with the HVAC off and the vents taped up until enough people get out of your way to drive through the plume to safer ground.

Longer term problems are little different from an industrial accident or natural disaster.
 
45 miles south of dc

the thought crosses my mind. the house is set up pretty good. wife and kid live and cschool less then 5 miles from home i'm anywhere from 5 to 30 miles from home. its hunker down time. got hensa and eggs and a full pantry . i need to fill the 28 cu foot freezer though
 
Sounds similar

cassandrasdaddy:

You have a very similar circumstance to us. I'm 60 to 75minutes N of Detroit (30 miles) but bad traffic. Wife and daughter are in the same school building. That's aplus. Both employers have fall-out shelters. Best idea is ride it out there, or if time permits, get to base and ride it out.

A note, if the food, water etc. are not safe guarded, all of your supplies are merely poisen.

HSO: great feedback! Thank-you. Hopefully we will get some more positive input. For our part, unless teh world we ready to explode, we would NOT leave our home. Why, to get trapped on I-75, north or south? Go north, you hit the lake, 'cuz the bridge wouldn't still be there. Too strategic an event. Go south, and you're farther away from family. Best bet...plant ourselve, securely!!!

Seriously, I doubt it will happen in my lifetime.

Doc2005
 
Why the big deal over the fallout?

IIRC the hiroshima and nagasaki survivors pretty much doomed themselves by eating and drinking contaminated foodstuffs. They swallowed emitters which is a hell of a lot worse than getting a few stray neutrons.

The nevada test sites blew quite a few bombs in the fifties and sixties. No mass fallout deaths.

There is a lot to be said for the size and efficiency of the modern weapons. Much less fissionable material is left over after the blast. The short half life stuff will die down pretty quick.

I am not saying that fallout is harmless, just in my opinion much of the prepping and fears of fallout are overrated.
 
I am not saying that fallout is harmless, just in my opinion much of the prepping and fears of fallout are overrated.
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They are grossly overstated and the stuff of TV and bad Movies (which amount to the level of information on this topic that the average American has). Don’t breath it and don’t eat it and you’re pretty safe.

The statistics from Hiroshima and Nagasaki are eye opening and put lie to the overblown fear of fallout.

Again, it's the panic that poses the greatest threat to survival after you survive the initial blast/heat.
 
Hmmm...it's clear to me now that the only responsible step toward building a proper shelter is to aquire another gun safe/shelter building block.
Good info in the sites listed. There's no such thing as being over-prepared...even if slightly redundant.
When the tornado sirens went off here last month (serious warnings i.e. GO TO SHELTER NOW), I found that I wasn't nearly prepared for what could have happened. We had recently moved and much of my emergency stuff was packed in boxes and scattered here and there. Won't happen again.
 
I think some people are not checking out the link...unfortunately when the fallout starts coming down around their home they will be clueless and will die. Depending upon how far you are from Ground Zero and which way the wind is blowing, you may only have minutes, to an hour to prepare. What I learned;

1) If Fallout is falling and you try to evacuate by getting out by car, bike, boat or :rolleyes: Walking out with you BOB :rolleyes: YOU WILL BE DEAD DUE TO EXPOSURE OF HIGH LEVEL OF RADIATION.

2) If you don't have a plan of where to shelter in your home and how shelter against fallout YOU WILL BE DEAD DUE TO EXPOSURE OF HIGH LEVEL OF RADIATION.

3) If you have no access to the outside world and you leave your house too soon YOU WILL BE DEAD DUE TO EXPOSURE OF HIGH LEVEL OF RADIATION.

Basically consider Fallout as the Snow of Death and let us say you have a half an hour to prepare for the storm after the big bang. Think of snow outside of your home, let’s say a light coating of less than an inch. It will be on the roof, the lawn in front of your house, etc. Now think of each little snowflake emitting radiation, up to the sky, down toward the earth and across the horizon. It is not the fallout touching you its the radiation that gets you. If you just said on your front porch and watched the fallout fall, the radiation would make you sick, and then you will be dying. What you need is distance from the fallout and shielding. In a normal home the best place to start is a below grade basement. Think about the snow emitting radiation, the radiation coming from a piece of fallout 6 feet away from your home needs to go thru a lot of dirt and a concrete wall to get you, at which point it is a lot weaker and not as deadly. What about the fallout on the roof??? Radiation is coming down it is only going thru some shingles and plywood:eek: This is the part that gets crazy. On the floor above you, move everything you can to the spot above where you are sheltered. Furniture, the TV, the Fridge, all of this will absorb the radiation. So let us say you don't have a basement, what do you do? You would pick a room in the center of your house with no windows and pile everything along the walls. It may get cramped but you will live. Seal off any outside ventilation, close windows, shelter and hope for the best.

How long do you shelter? At least 3 days, but it is better to have a radio or something to get the OK from outside authorities. My BOB already has a radio, and 3 days of food for everyone in my family, so I'm set. Not to get you guys bored with the 7/10 rule, but fallout is deadly right after the bomb goes off, but it gets weaker and weaker as time goes by so after 3 days it is only throwing off 1% of the radiation it did when it was first created, not enough to hurt you.

So real simple prep. 1) Always have a BOB with essentials and 3 days of food. 2) Pick a spot in your house that would make a good shelter against fallout for your family. 3) Consider with what and how you’re going to stack your addition barriers, and you are all set.
 
Lonestar

Based on your Snow Of Death post, How many renkins per hour of exposure from fallout 20 miles downwind of a soviet SS10, figuring a 20 MPH wind?

No good answer?

Back in the fifties children used to play in fallout in Nevada. It in all likelihood killed several of them. Killed em deader than a doornail, but it took close to fifty years to do it. Pretty darn close to the time frame nature would have started killing a few of them. It showed up in statistical analysis of certain types of cancer rates

These kids were exposed to multiple fallout exposures, and it still took a very very long time to kill them. Odds are, they took in a few emitters internally while out playing in the stuff. Some of the stories I heard were they played in it like snow, and only were upset that it would not pack like snow.

The Main reason I asked the renkin question is to kinda guage peoples response, and if anyone had a clue what the actual exposure rates would be.
People are pretty tough against neutron radiation. It takes a lot to kill us. It takes quite a bit just to raise your cancer risk.

Sorry, but I just do not buy the "snow of death" thing and the "YOU WILL BE DEAD DUE TO EXPOSURE OF HIGH LEVEL OF RADIATION" mentality. Too many arguments against it being that dangerous, and not enough proof on the part of the people arguing that it is that dangerous. You might want to start looking up historical cases of radiation exposure from atomic weapon blasts, I think you will be pretty surprised.
 
lock and load and hunker down with your supplies untill the scale of the attack and any after riot and other dangers can be determined.

Even if you are close to a nuclear attack you are safer indoors then out and about, esspecialy in a brick or concreat home or somewhere with a basement to get into. Not perfectly safe mind you, I am saying safer only.

PLus with a terrorist you can bet on it being very small, enough for a few city blocks and fall out for several miles beyond that. Not the kind of thing that levels an entire city in one blast. So riots and such are the main danger esspecialy if oyu live away from it. And for that I would definatly much rather be hunkered down with a good defensive position then out in the street in my car which would be damn near impossible to defend agianst a mob.
 
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