If you HAD TO carry any NON lethal device

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What would it be?

Any EXPERIENCE of effectiveness would be greatly appreciated.

(also any pertinent links)

Thinking along the lines of concealable pepper blasters vs. stun guns etc.
Not young enough to consider weapons that need physical dexterity or a great deal of training.



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Please don't advise to just carry a gun as that's not what I'm searching for in THIS thread.

Thanks.
 
Taser C2.

Much more reliable for stopping an attacker than mace or OC. Some people aren't neutralized by chemical sprays, everyone is stopped by the Taser (except for heavy clothing, but hey no option is universally perfect.). Real Taser, not cheap stun guns.

I say C2 over the law enforcement versions because of the extended auto drive that allows you to escape while the attacker is still neutralized.
 
Just a picky point. Such instruments are best called less lethal. Folks do die under the use of many of these.
 
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Pepper spray, so long as you understand that it must be deployed only at bad-breath distance.

If you think you're going to make an effective a 10-foot shot with pepper spray, especially if outdoors, you haven't done much work with pepper spray.

I hear that metal knuckles are effective, but usually "illegal."

A 10-inch, or 12-inch Crescent wrench is also good for fixing bikes.
 
Gel type pepper spray. Do some research, as some are more effective than others. They'll get the job done, if you're mobile enough to get away while the attacker is disabled.

I'd back it up with a Taser. Not a gun show stun gun, but a real Taser. They're not cheap, but neither is a stay in the hospital.
 
Some derivative of an X-26 is an effective option, or another capable taser (NOT a stun gun.) Even if someone is hopped up on drugs, it doesn't really matter as these things could stop a freight train. It is easy to use and in many cases will incapacitate even faster than handgun rounds. I took part in a workshop and once that current passes to your body, you freeze up to a board and lose all physical control. Your mind tries to tell your body to do things, but your body doesn't. You think you are screaming, but you actually aren't making noise. Despite what the movies constantly show, this isn't something one can fight their way through. If you do volunteer, you will want to use the bathroom beforehand and have a change of pants available. Like other LTL, people die from tasers on a regular basis, but the overwhelming majority of people who are the unlucky recipients do not. Many deaths from tasers can be linked to certain health conditions/issues.

Key chain kubatons can be used as a close range impact weapon. When put on the same keychain as an OC spray, that's a wider range of distance in which a response can be employed. Some folding knives are also designed to be used as a close-range impact weapon when closed.

The karambit, while not always non-lethal, is a very effective means of self defense when coupled with an understanding of correct usage. Emerson's folding karambit is very likable due to the compactness and blade grind that tends to perform well with defensive weapons. It's worth noting that if you disembowel someone, even if they survive there is a good chance that you may be facing as many or even more legal issues than you would for using lethal force with firearm.
 
For less-lethal, I choose one I already carry when out walking: a hickory stock cane. A stout cane sends a clear warning to some while remaining an innocent object to most people. I've never had to use it, but it helped me back down two dogs that were stalking me. A few passes through the air and the dogs got the message and backed off.

All my best,
Bob
 
I'd like a Taser, but I have a regular stun unit due to $$$$. I carry it in places where CCW is iffy, ie signs at county fair, when legally only the buildings can post them. They almost always say 'firearms', not 'concealed weapons'.
 
Bear spray/pepper spray. Stuff works GREAT, on animals and/or people. Speaking from experience. I don't even carry a firearm.

Check your local laws. Some states consider canisters over a certain size to be equivalent to a firearm and require a CCW license. In Canada, it is considered equivalent to a hand gun.
 
Thanks ALL. Truly.
I should have said I live in CA which precludes excellent choices like batons.

And I ...forgot... How often I carry my cherry walkin stick plus also forgot the universal aspect of dogs who "habla stick"
I have CCW now but have moved counties.
They inform me that it would be April before even the interview.

Youse guys have given me some great suggestions and a real reminder of the CANE!

Thanks a bunch!!
 
Get some training with it from a local hapkido or aikido school and you'll be even more effective and confident in it.
 
A flashlight or a water bottle.

Either will see frequent use, and water bottles will see daily use. My experience tells me a full plastic water bottle can be swung with enough force to knock any human out without bursting. No special tricks, like freezing, needed.

Anyone who can't generate enough force to drop an attacker using a blow to the temple probably doesn't have enough dexterity and strength to safely handle a firearm, either.
 
Pepper spray. In some circumstances it works pretty well and I've used it a few times.

Still carry it.
 
My flashlight is probably the only thing I carry that qualifies. I almost always have an Olight M18 maverick on me. Less than an inch in diameter, 5 inches long with a hardened bezel. You don't need any special training to hammer fist somebody with it and you can take it anywhere.
A good light is so handy to have anyhow, and if you're carrying a gun at night you really should have a light too.
 
There is a guy that lived out in California named Rodney King that did not think much of two "real tasers", CS/CN spray and the first few licks of a baton.

Maybe if they had already been using OC out there ........

I'm just saying to be aware that yes sometimes folks CAN fight through most anything not involving the loss of enough blood to induce major shock, interruption of the CNS or destruction of a major support structure like say a broken thigh.

Personally I like my canes, but those are in the less lethal class as blows to the head and even chest might end up causing death.

Balancing the ability to be less lethal AND be generally effective I am going to have to go with the OC crowd. That said, weather conditions, range, condition of the device and your ability to actually direct it where it needs to go while under stress all can make OC less than effective as well. Also be aware that an accident spritz of OC in ones pocket from a cheap canister with crappy locking device can be a real eye opener or closer in this case. Nothing like digging around in the wife's favorite purse only to find her OC spray had somehow been taken off safe and the button pressed by say a brush or makeup compact to make her really love you.

There are no magic wands.....they are useless with out a trained magician to wave them.

I always like to refer back to Archie Campbell and his "Doctor, Doctor " sketch.

"Doctor , Doctor, I broke my arms in two places. What should I do?"

"Stay out of them places."

Awareness is the first step.

-kBob
 
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