Carl N. Brown
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Around here, coyotes are an invasive non-native species that infringes on native species and livestock. Much like Russian boars or kudzu. A blindly destructive force.
If you were hunting big game & came across a coyote..
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allaroundhunter, I don't eat beef nor am I a Christian, so neither of your comments apply to me. With that said, I'll let you know that I do respect the rights of others to eat beef and to practice whatever religion they choose. Okay this is really my last post on any ethics thread!!!
Mike1234567
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allaroundhunter... Like I stated earlier I don't have much faith anymore. But if you want to get into Genesis then God assigned mankind "stewardship" of all animal life. He did not allow people to eat animals until the flood when there was no vegetation to eat. Now that we have plenty of vegetation I often wonder why we continue to kill and eat animals. It sure seems like reversion to God's laws prior to the flood is in order. Like I said before, I do eat a little meat. Just not much. If I still had much faith I'd probably become a vegetarian so I would be following what "I understand" to be correct living.
That is wrong, because they have ranged throughout North and Central America for almost 2 million years, long before we were here............
tdstout
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You must have never gotten into a bunch of seed ticks or chiggers. That's the one bad thing about Oklahoma, if you plan on walking through brush or even just tall grass, you better be prepared to start itching.
MtnSpur
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How did this evolve into Bible lessons about stewardship? Got me scratchin my head. Oh well I say live and let live.....the coyote that killed my barn cats didn't make out so well, his relatives that molested my livestock....they're singin in "coyote heaven/hell" (pick one). I didn't have the chance to "shoo em away with a bisquit" but rather sent them away on the wings of a .223. Nuff said by this ole sinner.
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Yes to the original question, have done so, and will do so again, if the opportunity presents itself.
On the three ranches I hunt on, one of which is my own, yes there are fences as there are around most of the ranches in Texas. Most raise cattle, or did at one time, so the fencing was put up to keep them in check. They are either 5 or 6 strands of barbed wire, and do a pretty good job of keeping most of the cattle in, except when one bull gets it in his head he wants the other bulls cows. Just so ya know.
This said, even on the high fenced ranches, which is what I am guessing your referring to, coyotes and hogs are not usually wanted. Not all high fenced ranches were high fenced to keep the deer in, contrary to what most believe, lots of them were done so to keep unwanted critters out. This said some raise sheep and goats and the like. The one I hunted on for close to ten years, the owner said he wanted every yote, fox, bobcat, or other predator shot on sight. I immediately thought this was a bit over the top until the following spring when his goats had their kids. Initially when we were there getting ready for turkey hunting, there were over 125 kids, about the size of a medium sized dog. Three weeks later, they were down to about 65, then down to 28 the last trip we made up. It then became a bit more clear. Most of them were take by the yotes and foxes, which roamed in and out over a wider area. Some were taken by the local bobcats, and a few by hawks, owls and eagles none of which are legal to kill for any reason. Even so during the whole time I was hunting there, I only saw one yote, and a couple of foxes period. They were there as we heard them every time we were up, but the dense vegetation, made hunting them or even seeing them more or less a chance encounter.
On the places I hunt nowadays, they are only fenced with barbed wire, and have cattle on them. Still on two of them, the owner says hogs and dogs go first period. I don't argue as the price I pay to hunt there is only what ever labor is needed from me during the year to help out when necessary. On my place however, the same rules apply. I have at times shot both hogs, and yotes while deer hunting, and let the deer walk. I have also shot a deer early on a cold morning and while sitting tight in my stand had yotes come in to try to find the downed deer.
There is no shortage of them in any of the areas I hunt, and I seriously doubt that shooting them is, or will ever have, a major impact on them as they are very adaptable and learn very quickly. Usually for every one I see there are half a dozen or more that are not seen, based upon the choir which erupts every night we're up there.
I also know for a fact they are moving into the metro areas of bigger cities and have even seen them here in town where I live. They are opportunists and adapt to their environment to score the easy meals. I can certainly appreciate this fact, but on the other hand, I also know the damage first hand that they do as a whole and do my best to prevent it where/when I can.
On the three ranches I hunt on, one of which is my own, yes there are fences as there are around most of the ranches in Texas. Most raise cattle, or did at one time, so the fencing was put up to keep them in check. They are either 5 or 6 strands of barbed wire, and do a pretty good job of keeping most of the cattle in, except when one bull gets it in his head he wants the other bulls cows. Just so ya know.
This said, even on the high fenced ranches, which is what I am guessing your referring to, coyotes and hogs are not usually wanted. Not all high fenced ranches were high fenced to keep the deer in, contrary to what most believe, lots of them were done so to keep unwanted critters out. This said some raise sheep and goats and the like. The one I hunted on for close to ten years, the owner said he wanted every yote, fox, bobcat, or other predator shot on sight. I immediately thought this was a bit over the top until the following spring when his goats had their kids. Initially when we were there getting ready for turkey hunting, there were over 125 kids, about the size of a medium sized dog. Three weeks later, they were down to about 65, then down to 28 the last trip we made up. It then became a bit more clear. Most of them were take by the yotes and foxes, which roamed in and out over a wider area. Some were taken by the local bobcats, and a few by hawks, owls and eagles none of which are legal to kill for any reason. Even so during the whole time I was hunting there, I only saw one yote, and a couple of foxes period. They were there as we heard them every time we were up, but the dense vegetation, made hunting them or even seeing them more or less a chance encounter.
On the places I hunt nowadays, they are only fenced with barbed wire, and have cattle on them. Still on two of them, the owner says hogs and dogs go first period. I don't argue as the price I pay to hunt there is only what ever labor is needed from me during the year to help out when necessary. On my place however, the same rules apply. I have at times shot both hogs, and yotes while deer hunting, and let the deer walk. I have also shot a deer early on a cold morning and while sitting tight in my stand had yotes come in to try to find the downed deer.
There is no shortage of them in any of the areas I hunt, and I seriously doubt that shooting them is, or will ever have, a major impact on them as they are very adaptable and learn very quickly. Usually for every one I see there are half a dozen or more that are not seen, based upon the choir which erupts every night we're up there.
I also know for a fact they are moving into the metro areas of bigger cities and have even seen them here in town where I live. They are opportunists and adapt to their environment to score the easy meals. I can certainly appreciate this fact, but on the other hand, I also know the damage first hand that they do as a whole and do my best to prevent it where/when I can.
Sniderman
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"A bit aggressive about leaving- huffing & barking at me"
Yeah, That would have got him shot.
Yeah, That would have got him shot.
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GJgo
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Man, I started a good one. 
I suspect that I would have been more likely to shoot if I had a long season like in some places, but out here we have a few days to a week. Probably each situation should be held as its own..
I suspect that I would have been more likely to shoot if I had a long season like in some places, but out here we have a few days to a week. Probably each situation should be held as its own..
splattergun
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No tag, no license required to shoot yotes in UT. Get the dogs out of the neighborhood and the deer will come in. Twice I have killed muleys within a couple hours of shooting a coyote in the same hollow. Your shot on a coyote won't scare a buck away, maybe just make him hole up for a little while.
No tag, no license required to shoot yotes in UT. Get the dogs out of the neighborhood and the deer will come in. Twice I have killed muleys within a couple hours of shooting a coyote in the same hollow. Your shot on a coyote won't scare a buck away, maybe just make him hole up for a little while.
thecarfarmer
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Hey Tahoe, good to hear from another Seattle guy! Grew up near Carkeek Park; could hear coyotes in the evenings. But have never seen one. They seemed to have NO desire to interact with humans.
I never thought of them as a nusiance or threat; just a wild animal that was eking out an existance in a small corner of semi-wild habitat.
Anyway, I thought I'd throw a different viewpoint out here: a lot of you guys want to keep the predators beaten back so you have more deer, right? Well, what the heck makes you think deer are so good? They may be an attractive animal (I think they are), but they're certainly a nuisance around here. Get out on the roads and wreck cars - and motorcycles. And as a motorcyclist, those deer are a real threat to my safety while riding. They kill and injure a number of bikers.
And that, my friends, makes this animal a pest. Prettier than a mosquito; less likely to bite me. But, actually more likely to cause me real harm.
So, there's my .02...
-Bill
Mike1234567
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Not to mention deer can devastate peoples' gardens. Coyotes don't destroy gardens.
allaroundhunter
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If deer were devastating our gardens we would either put up an electric fence or get permission to dispatch the nuisance animals.
Mike1234567
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Hey... a couple of us are just turning the tables regarding what animals can be of the nuisance variety. There's always more than one side to an argument. Who's to say that we don't need coyotes to keep nuisance deer populations in check?
The above stated, I loathe the idea that carnivores are a cruel part of nature. I like deer much more than coyotes. What I'm alluding to is what a few others have I stated or hinted at... which is... what makes us the authority to decide which animals are killed on sight and which ones are not?
The above stated, I loathe the idea that carnivores are a cruel part of nature. I like deer much more than coyotes. What I'm alluding to is what a few others have I stated or hinted at... which is... what makes us the authority to decide which animals are killed on sight and which ones are not?
allaroundhunter
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We definitely need some coyotes, they, being natural predators are a vital part to any ecosystem. I shoot some though, because where I hunt there are too many. Wild pigs, however, are not needed. At all.
To me, a nuisance animal is a nuisance animal, and it is such on an individual basis. It isn't the species that makes it a nuisance, it is what the individual animal does. (but I will be the first to admit that some species have more individual nuisances than others)
Sheepdog1968
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If I'm hunting at my father in laws cabin (which I do frequently) I would shoot the coyote unless I was hot on the trail of a big game animal. We don't need a tag for them and I certainly wouldn't sacrifice a big game tag for a coyote.
If I have paid for a hunt or gone a long distance or am working with a guide, I'd likley pass up on the shot as I've invested money into the hunt and I wouldn't want to reduce my chances at getting what I came for.
A few less predators means a few more young game animals survivie and I would just assume have a few more game animals around.
If I have paid for a hunt or gone a long distance or am working with a guide, I'd likley pass up on the shot as I've invested money into the hunt and I wouldn't want to reduce my chances at getting what I came for.
A few less predators means a few more young game animals survivie and I would just assume have a few more game animals around.
Mike1234567
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All that makes complete sense... can't argue with a single word.
True true true sir.
I said I wouldn't but I'm posting again...it's like an addiciton or something
Better than being a Facebook addict though
EDIT: By the way, where I live (Alexandria, VA) there are deer EVERYWHERE...same when I lived near Baltimore. Maybe a few more Yotes wouldn't be the worst thing, at least around here.
powell&hyde
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Good post Mike1234567
Coyote3855
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"I loathe the idea that carnivores are a cruel part of nature."
Nature isn't cruel, or kind. Nature just is.
Has anyone nominated humans as the nuisance animal of the millenium? I'd rather share the planet with coyotes and wood ticks than some of the folks at the mall.
To stay on topic, I'd not shoot a coyote under most circumstances, unless clearly rabid, injured, or diseased. My dad made it through the Depression trapping coyotes. Paid for winter supply of hay for 60 cows. When times got better, he never killed another one.
Nature isn't cruel, or kind. Nature just is.
Has anyone nominated humans as the nuisance animal of the millenium? I'd rather share the planet with coyotes and wood ticks than some of the folks at the mall.
To stay on topic, I'd not shoot a coyote under most circumstances, unless clearly rabid, injured, or diseased. My dad made it through the Depression trapping coyotes. Paid for winter supply of hay for 60 cows. When times got better, he never killed another one.
Straight up....................
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