Gordon
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Yeah State laws are "majority rules" . and the places with the majorities controls how , when and who counts the votes and tallies the results with little or no chains of custody .
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Illinois AWB signed
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Yeah State laws are "majority rules" . and the places with the majorities controls how , when and who counts the votes and tallies the results with little or no chains of custody .
All pistols have grips.
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BreechFace
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Meh, I'm of the mind it's only inevitable so the quicker they cut to the chase the more likely the frog will notice the water is boiling and do something about it. When these bills get pushed there is a lot of half-hearted eyebrow raising by some of the 2A population that it doesn't effect and nothing more.
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ChanceMcCall
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They are going to have trouble getting law enforcement cooperation. As of 5 PM we have letters from over 30 Illinois Sheriffs refusing to cooperate.
If the courts don't jump in soon the state is going to be torn apart.
Map of Illinois Counties where their county board has passed a resolution to ignore new anti 2nd Amendment state and/or federal laws.
If the courts don't jump in soon the state is going to be torn apart.
Map of Illinois Counties where their county board has passed a resolution to ignore new anti 2nd Amendment state and/or federal laws.
BreechFace
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@ChanceMcCall Sounds like Illinois residents need to write their local "public servants" and paint Illinois green with stars.
Some of those named are not even in civilian hands. (i.e. MP7) Some are NFA that they do not even allow in the first place. Strange.
CapnMac
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"They" use low-level staffers to actually write the things. Said personnel often use cut-n-paste (and often from other similar legislation, passed or not).
That's how the Canadians banned the AT-4, "arfcom," and the "Butt Blaster" (a one-off created by Mark Serbu as an on-purpose absurdity and the only example remaining is Serbu's sole possession).
That "any grip configuration" is likely meant to derail using "thumbhole" or similar work-arounds. "We" know that there no such thing as a semi-auto rifle with "no grip configuration." I no longer want to argue with these people and fix their writing fauxes pas.
Franky, at this point, I'm happy the no-nothings are writing these things, as the flubs become clear reasons to enjoin and/or strike down this silliness.
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EXACTLY.
Obturation
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I'm confident this thing will get shredded in court but who knows how long that may take. I'm a law abiding citizen and I do plan to comply with whatever when I must. That being said I'll do it begrudgingly and only if I see that the deadline is approaching and it's still upon us.
Sheriff here in mchenry county said he won't enforce this law either.
Sheriff here in mchenry county said he won't enforce this law either.
lilguy
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I'm in Illinois, have had a FOID card for over 50 years, CCL and a C+ R license. Photo ID, finger printed. All I want is to understand the details and then comply before the end of grace period . I don’t understand it all yet but we have some time to figure it out.
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JTHunter
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Don't worry. At the end of the 300 days (10/23), the ISP will be able to add/change almost anything on these lists.
JTHunter
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I believe that they are referring to the secondary grip in front of the magazine. With politicians like these, you can never tell what is going in their minds (if they have a mind).
lilguy
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The Illinois constitution guarantees the RTKABA ,subject to police powers.
This is sure not as clear cut as the 2nd.
“In United States constitutional law, the police power is the capacity of the states to regulate behavior and enforce order within their territory for the betterment of the health, safety, morals, and general welfare of their inhabitants.[1]Police power is defined in each jurisdiction by the legislative body, which determines the public purposes that need to be served by legislation.[2] Under the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, the powers not delegated to the Federal Government are reserved to the states or to the people. This implies that the Federal Government does not possess all possible powers, because most of these are reserved to the State governments, and others are reserved to the people.”
This is sure not as clear cut as the 2nd.
“In United States constitutional law, the police power is the capacity of the states to regulate behavior and enforce order within their territory for the betterment of the health, safety, morals, and general welfare of their inhabitants.[1]Police power is defined in each jurisdiction by the legislative body, which determines the public purposes that need to be served by legislation.[2] Under the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, the powers not delegated to the Federal Government are reserved to the states or to the people. This implies that the Federal Government does not possess all possible powers, because most of these are reserved to the State governments, and others are reserved to the people.”
JTHunter
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AND, with the last (?) paragraph of this PoS, the ISP will be able to "change the landscape" and make additions not included in the original bill.
lilguy
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^^^ This
What a brilliant addition to a gun control law. The LEA charged with state gun regulation is given open ended authority to add to the controlled list. The pols don’t need to revisit it again.Police powers in action.
Typetwelve
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There's plenty of information on the Illinois carry forum, if you're interested.
The main point? Concerning "banned" firearms, there is zero grandfather clause, as-is. We're all supposed to have them fully registered with the ISP by the end of the year...or else. Let's hope the courts end the registration portion, at a minimum.
lilguy
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Been there for several years now. Wish they had more lawyers on board.
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ChanceMcCall
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So how many gun owners are there in Illinois whose IQ is under 70? All anyone has to do is look at what they have done to gun owners in Britain, Australia, New Zealand, and now Canada after they told people you just need to register them and you can keep them. Some may have an alternative to move them out of state, like many of us already do with full automatics and other items, others will swear they had a boating accident, and only the feeble minded will register guns believing they are going to be able to keep them.
illinoisburt
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Since this is the legal section I have a question. Illinois has historically has a ban on silencers and short barrelled rifles (with an odd exception for C&R holders added in 2013). With the new braced rifle rules it would seem person's in Illinois would only have the option of staying a pistol by going brace-free/using pistol type sights or reconfiguring as a rifle with longer barrel since you cannot legally register a SBR there. However under the new AWB you cannot purchase or assemble a new AW as defined by the state. You can however register an existing gun owned prior enactment. So would reconfiguring with a new barrel and changing status from pistol to rifle be a prohibited act under the new Illinois law?
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Master Blaster
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The reason for the Colt Hbar Sporter rifle exception, is that this law follows the successful Maryland ban that passed 10 years ago. Same basic list and wording. In Maryland it was pointed out that ROTC, and service academies would no longer be able to hold rifle competitions or conduct marksmanship training. So the Colt Hbar sporter and other similar heavy barrel competition/service rifles were exempted. My state Delaware passed the same law last year with the same basic wording and list.
Master Blaster
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In the Delaware law that is followed by:
...that places the thumb of the trigger hand below the action of the weapon, or any pistol grip in front of the action." It also makes thumbhole stocks an assault weapon feature.
