While in the Chicago area for my son's Navy RTC Graduation last week we stopped by a Bass Pro Shops. As usual in stores such as this we were checking out the firearms and asked to see a couple. We had already explained that we lived in Montana, but the clerk had to ask to see our ID. He went on to explain that if we were Illinois residents he couldn't let us touch the firearms without us showing our "Firearm Owner Identification Card". I was rather shocked and surprised as this was my first such experience. Of course we whipped out our Montana licenses so there was no issue. But the whole experience made me thankful to NOT live in such an oppressive state.
Illinois Oppression
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Blackbeard
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Ill-annoy isn't that bad. Residents need a FOID but we have no magazine restrictions, no AWB and recently we even joined the rest of the civilized world and got CCW.
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It's worrisome to me that you think it "isn't that bad"...
It certainly is worrisome. It comes with living under their "laws" for a long time. It really is amazing what you can "get used to". I lived there for 12 years. Never goin' back again. I drive around Ill. now. What I find amusing is they demand to see your FOID to "touch" a gun but will then gladly accept an out of State ID (which they almost certainly would not be able to tell if it was valid or forged). Will they sell you a gun with just an out of State ID or just not let you handle one?:banghead: What about knives and axes? Illinois is physically located within the CONUS but not actually part of the United States. Their "rulers" are much smarter than the rest of us. They gave us Obama, Holder and Rahm. Wish they would take them back now.
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LeonCarr
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What are the chances of Illinois getting that FOID stuff repealed?
Just my .02,
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Just my .02,
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Dframe
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Repeal will NOT happen. The chicagocrats will NEVER EVER allow that. They would fight to the death to prevent it.
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There was talk during the CHL negotiations to use the CHL to replace, rather than supplement the FOID; it's ridiculously redundant, and apparently even some law-makers saw that.
I'm hopeful that we can 'combine' the FOID and CHL, but doubt we'll roll the FOID back for non-CHL holders.
Just remember how to eat an elephant, I guess..
Larry
I'm hopeful that we can 'combine' the FOID and CHL, but doubt we'll roll the FOID back for non-CHL holders.
Just remember how to eat an elephant, I guess..
Larry
They will maintain the FOID system as long as they believe there is ANY chance of figuring out some new way to get around the 2nd Amendment. They truly believe that there has to be a way in a "democracy" to ignore the Constitution.
They will NOT listen to their constituents because they believe their constituents are too dumb to take care of themselves. I dealt with them for years when I lived there and worked for the NRA actively. You would not believe some of the letters they sent to us. Trying to get them to listen is like trying to herd a bunch of cats.
They will NOT listen to their constituents because they believe their constituents are too dumb to take care of themselves. I dealt with them for years when I lived there and worked for the NRA actively. You would not believe some of the letters they sent to us. Trying to get them to listen is like trying to herd a bunch of cats.
TomJ
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If it were up to the people running the state, there would be a total gun ban. Just look at Chicago. The rights that we do have are often due to lawsuits and therefore judges telling our politicians that they've overstepped their bounds. There's a reason we're at or near the top of states in regards to people leaving.
Blackbeard
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I'd take our laws over NY, NJ, CT, MA, MD, or CA. Maybe a few others.
It's not the worst, but definitely not the best place. I've lived here my whole life. The down state is not bad at all, except we are controlled by Chicago and Springfield. The CCW law went through only because of a court order, and any improvements will be hard won. We only just got rid of yet another corrupt governor, and got a republican who is relatively unknown, and doesn't have much of a documented stance either way on 2A issues.
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I live in Chicago and disagree with the current state of IL's gun laws. I believe they are overly restrictive to no good purpose.
but..
What the hell is with all this drama from "gun people" whenever Chicago is brought up. It's like people are waiting by their keyboards to start hollering about Obama and oppression as soon as the city is mentioned. The OP is is from Montana where you can stand in any given part of the state, empty a 30-round mag while spinning in all directions and not endanger a soul. Do you not see how this is different from a state which contains the 3rd largest, 2nd densest city in the USA? How that environment might shape the legal decisions which are made here?
When you have been sprayed with fire hoses and savaged by police dogs for engaging in peaceful marches, when you have been relocated to a concentration camp or indefinitely detained despite being a law abiding citizen, maybe then you have some grounds for complaining about "oppression". Having to show an ID card from your wallet doesn't cut it.
but..
What the hell is with all this drama from "gun people" whenever Chicago is brought up. It's like people are waiting by their keyboards to start hollering about Obama and oppression as soon as the city is mentioned. The OP is is from Montana where you can stand in any given part of the state, empty a 30-round mag while spinning in all directions and not endanger a soul. Do you not see how this is different from a state which contains the 3rd largest, 2nd densest city in the USA? How that environment might shape the legal decisions which are made here?
When you have been sprayed with fire hoses and savaged by police dogs for engaging in peaceful marches, when you have been relocated to a concentration camp or indefinitely detained despite being a law abiding citizen, maybe then you have some grounds for complaining about "oppression". Having to show an ID card from your wallet doesn't cut it.
I actually have a definitive answer to that.
It *is* possible to get repealed.
However, 2% of the registered voters in the state have to sign a petition to get it on the ballot. This was built *in* to the FOID act.
This is done on a county by county basis.
In 2012 there were 2,781,182 registered voters in Cook County alone.
You'd have to collect 55,623 signatures in cook county.
And 2% of registered voters have to sign from every OTHER county in Illinois on their respective petitions.
Miss one county by one registered voter, and it's VOID.
If you DO get the required number of signatures, then the repeal will go on the next statewide election ballot. (You'd need a majority there)
Meh. The only thing I can't own here is full auto and suppressors. We're actually pretty similar to Iowa, overall (they have a permit to acquire handguns, and restrict NFA - we edge them out there by having SBR's).
(And it looks like we've got a decent shot to get suppressors soon!)
NY, NJ, CT, MA, MD, or CA.
Add in Colorado (we don't have a standard capacity magazine ban)
You forgot Hawaii.
DC, obviously.
And Rhode Island.
So maybe 11th worst; we're pretty close to Wisconsin and Iowa as far as gun laws go.
I will say this, though, unlike MANY other states we haven't LOST anything significant lately, and have been making big gains (SBR's, shall issue concealed carry, etc)
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NapalmMan67
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@Blackbeard- I think these are still active... Might be other local ordinances in addition to these?
"Magazine capacity limits for both pistols and long guns, including Chicago (15 rounds), Oak Park (10 rounds), Aurora (15 rounds), and Cook County (10 rounds)"
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"Magazine capacity limits for both pistols and long guns, including Chicago (15 rounds), Oak Park (10 rounds), Aurora (15 rounds), and Cook County (10 rounds)"
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I think the wait periods annoys me more than anything. It really makes it tough to go buy a gun in a different city as you have to go TWICE, or pay to have it shipped and then pay your FFL at home. I have to wait 2 more days to pick up the pico I just bought. ugh.
I would really love a suppressor just for range use. Ah well.
I would really love a suppressor just for range use. Ah well.
That's old. ALL Local ordinances for handguns were preempted when concealed carry passed.
They may still have long gun restrictions, though.
There can be no handgun prohibitions or restrictions, or city ordinances affecting handguns except at the state level now (which has none, other than the old FOID thing, and concealed carry licensing)
tark
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You can own anything in Illinois if you have the money and you want to start a firearms manufacturing business. Once you have the manufacturer's licence, you can pay the additional "Special Tax Stamp." of $1000 a year to the ATf and you are then a licenced class three manufacturer. The State cant stop you. My ex boss did exactly that and then proceeded to amass a sizeable collection of classic class III weapons. We never did manufacture a single one for sale
Illinois FOID scheme dates back to 1968, it might have been in place before the 1968 Gun Control Act. It would seem that Illinois got their idea for the FOID scheme from New Jersey who hoisted that steaming pile on their residents when they instituted the Firearms ID Card law in 1966.
For those keeping count, Massachusetts started their FID scheme at the beginning of 1969. New Jersey gun owners have it much, much worse than Illinois gun owners. The NJ state run NICS charges $15. NJ has a one handgun per month limit. A separate P2P (Permit To Purchase) is required for each handgun and must be used in 90 days. The P2P might take months to get.
Over there Pellet Guns and Black Powder Guns are considered firearms and you must buy them from a FFL in NJ. The FID is for long guns and may take months to get and fingerprints and character references (including from your employer in some towns) plus about $75 in fees.
Illinois may not be perfect, but is far better off than other states. Maybe the FOID can be repealed as others have said it is redundant and antiquated. If it was in place before the 68 GCA. Then the FOID should have been repealed when 68 GCA became law and definitely gone by the Brady Instant Check.
Remember with gun laws and such, it is always worse...somewhere else.
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For those keeping count, Massachusetts started their FID scheme at the beginning of 1969. New Jersey gun owners have it much, much worse than Illinois gun owners. The NJ state run NICS charges $15. NJ has a one handgun per month limit. A separate P2P (Permit To Purchase) is required for each handgun and must be used in 90 days. The P2P might take months to get.
Over there Pellet Guns and Black Powder Guns are considered firearms and you must buy them from a FFL in NJ. The FID is for long guns and may take months to get and fingerprints and character references (including from your employer in some towns) plus about $75 in fees.
Illinois may not be perfect, but is far better off than other states. Maybe the FOID can be repealed as others have said it is redundant and antiquated. If it was in place before the 68 GCA. Then the FOID should have been repealed when 68 GCA became law and definitely gone by the Brady Instant Check.
Remember with gun laws and such, it is always worse...somewhere else.
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rugerman07
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I agree. California, New York, New Jersey, and a few others have it a lot worse than we do here in Illinois. I say lets give our new governor a chance and see how things play out. Hopefully we'll see some positive changes.
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