In All Sincerity, How Do You Anti-California Bashers Feel Now?

[Aragon]

If you happen to be anti-California basher (this forum has far fewer than many other gun-related forums) when it comes to firearms laws and potential firearms laws whose solution is always "move out of CA!" I have a sincere question:

How does it feel to ponder what's now going on in the US Congress with regard to semi-automatic firearms right now? What would you do if congress passed a law that effected you no matter what state you live in?

Would you leave the country?

Has thinking about it given you some insight into what Californians (and others) have faced for many years?

Has it shined some light on why some Californians choose not to cut and run?

Does the fact that what starts in CA (both good and bad) often propagates across all (or at least most) of the US?

That it's best to chip-in and nip things in the bud if possible rather than retreat?

Do some of you anti-NRAers now realize why supporting the NRA is so very important?

I don't mean this to be an inflammatory posting. I truly wonder how outlooks change when the barbarians are potentially at every American's gate when it comes to firearms ownership. Thank you.

 

[Plan2Live]

There's a saying in the South. It goes something like ....Ain't Skeered.

 

[El Tejon]

How does it feel to ponder what's now going on in the US Congress with regard to semi-automatic firearms right now?

There is nothing going on in the US Congress with regard to semi-automatic firearms right now.

I truly wonder how outlooks change when the barbarians are potentially at every American's gate when it comes to firearms ownership.

I don't live in NJ, NY, MA or CA.

 

[Damon555]

anti-California basher

Wouldn't that be someone who is against bashing California?

 

[Deanimator]

Other than some impotent posturing, what exactly IS going on?

As to California, there is SO much to loathe there, gun control is but a single star in a galaxy of of delusion, corruption and oppression.

 

[Coop45]

There's a saying in the South. It goes something like ....Ain't Skeered.

And, "Hold my beer."

 

[AnselHazen]

I once found a statistic somewhere that indicated roughly 43K people flee the peoples republic of Mass yearly. My wife and I put our mouth where our money is and left in 2008. We don't miss it one bit. We don't lock our house, we don't lock our cars, and we can buy a gun anytime we want to.

 

[Haxby]

I don't mean this to be an inflammatory posting.

Well, that's BS.

 

[joem1945]

CA is in deep financial trouble along with many other problems that are caused by liberals and their misguided ideals. It will not change until there is a total change in the state government.

 

[BigBore44]

They have passed laws that affect us all. It's called background checks, and taxes on suppressors and class 3 firearms. The problem isn't California. The problem is liberals. California just happens to be full of them.

 

[danez71]

There is nothing going on in the US Congress with regard to semi-automatic firearms right now.



I don't live in NJ, NY, MA or CA.

H.R.4269 is still alive.
Semi-Auto Gun and Magazine Ban
https://www.nraila.org/articles/201...-and-magazine-ban-in-house-of-representatives

 

[barnbwt]

In All Sincerity, How Do You Anti-California Bashers Feel Now?

I feel like the situation is largely California's fault, since the state is just as big a source of anti gunner sentiment as the North East if not more so, despite the valiant fruitless efforts of pro-gun Californian super-minorities.

Are Kali's seriously getting Schadenfreude from the potential of federal gun control legislation? What the hell are you petty idiots celebrating? That you finally lost your pointless battle to influence Senators who don't even know you exist, or that you squandered countless dollars & energy in the attempt, while sustaining the oppressive regime through taxes and popular apportionment? You could've been forcing the hand of at least half a dozen other senators with your influence, and tipping numerous statehouses in our favor with the same output directed almost anywhere else. We'd probably be capable of getting protective Amendments passed (no I don't favor this) at that point, not to mention whatever friendly congressional legislation or repeals we wanted. Kali's two senators would gnash and weep as they do now, as most all of their colleagues overrule them, and their reduced House apportionment is similarly forced to submit to the RKBA by the rest of the nation.

My dissapointment with California is special, since at least according to ammo sales stats, there actually are still a goodly number of gunowners there (not like NY or HI, where even if you gathered them all in one place it probably wouldn't tip a swing state). They also seem to be especially vocal about their advocacy, in the form of various orgs & blogs, that raise a lot of awareness while not accomplishing nearly as much as they would practically anywhere else in the country. From a mercantilist point of view, it's a terrible waste of a truly precious resource.

Would you leave the country?

Switzerland
Uruguay
New Zealand
Czech Republic

In that order, should the US become as oppressive as your state, yes. Not because those nations are so much 'freer' by comparison (they're not) but because that kind of deterioration of American liberty would loudly herald our rapid descent into despotic madness. I won't wait for Uncle Sam to ride in and slaughter & eat my family's only cow like back in Austria, or for politically-connected businessman to expropriate my land during a depression & force me to buy it back at a markup like in England (half Germanic, half Irish, here). While it worked out well *once* in pretty much all of human history back in 1776, the violent rebellion inevitable here on our current path isn't something I'll be betting all my chips on.

That it's best to chip-in and nip things in the bud if possible rather than retreat?

Seriously, this is rich coming from a Californian. Bad things emanate from your state, because they hardly ever get nipped in the bud; your ultra-progressive (historical definition) over-represented government is incapable of regulating legislative and fiscal activity. There is pretty much no mechanism for bad ideas to be examined & rejected due to your initiative system.

Do some of you anti-NRAers now realize why supporting the NRA is so very important?

I know it'll end up meaning a hell of a lot less if they're responsible for us getting disenfranchised after being put on a secret list by faceless bureaucrats, for merely being associated with groups or people to be deemed 'radical' at a later date.

The Watch List stuff basically moves the firearms prohibition game out of the congress & courts, and turns it into a regulatory gambit responsible to the president, alone. REALLY stupid strategy for the NRA to pursue, they'll be blacklisted within a decade ("We've got to ban the NRA! I have in my hand a list of 205 Lifetime Members who are on the Secret Terror Watch list --no you can't see it, it's classified-- clearly this group is up to no good & must be banned!")

There's a saying in the South. It goes something like ....Ain't Skeered.

Well, after San Bernadino, 'our' side wasn't making unreciprocated approaches toward the opposition. I actually seem to recall Mr. "We've got to do something this time" McConnell actually catching heat after stating in no uncertain terms that legislation would not be seeing the light of day. I guess when someone manages to kill more people in practically the same scenario, it's "different" and action is required, lest "we lose our phony-baloney jobs"

I don't mean this to be an inflammatory posting.

Well isn't that so very Californian of you.

TCB

 

[Crawdad1]

Would you leave the country?

Never leave this country. Too many people here who will fight.

 

[Robert]

This just seems like too much of a rant/ to pretty much every other gun owner to leave open. Yes, California has problems and yes many of them spill over to the rest of the country but pretty much all of them are off topic for THR. Since we don't really do rant/ off topic broad spectrum socioeconomic threads this one is done.