Incorporating a Backup Gun to EDC

Status
Not open for further replies.
Okay folks, I've toyed with this for a while now, and I think I've finally talked myself into incorporating an ankle carried backup gun to my EDC setup. Presently I carry a 9mm Walther P99 or Walther PPS as my primary carry along with a spare magazine. The question that I have is what is the preferred avenue for an ankle carried gun? A super slim and compact auto like a Kahr P380, Ruger LCP, Glock 42, or Colt Mustang Lite or a small .38 Spl. revolver like a Smith & Wesson J Frame or Ruger LCR? Either route looks to be a wash with respect to size and weight. Is there any distinct advantage one to the other in this application?

I know someone whose EDC is an SP101 2.25" carried IWB in a Simply Rugged Sourdough holster, with a Ruger LCP .380 in their front pocket as a BUG. He or she says it works just fine for him/her.

Also a couple of knives here and there, one in case of emergency and the other one a Victorinox Farmer in case an apple needs peeling or a screw needs to be turned or something.
 
Okay folks, I've toyed with this for a while now, and I think I've finally talked myself into incorporating an ankle carried backup gun to my EDC setup. Presently I carry a 9mm Walther P99 or Walther PPS as my primary carry along with a spare magazine. The question that I have is what is the preferred avenue for an ankle carried gun? A super slim and compact auto like a Kahr P380, Ruger LCP, Glock 42, or Colt Mustang Lite or a small .38 Spl. revolver like a Smith & Wesson J Frame or Ruger LCR? Either route looks to be a wash with respect to size and weight. Is there any distinct advantage one to the other in this application?
Just ask yourself " what would I feel comfortable taking out as a BUG,KNOWING that I was about to die ".
If you carry a cute little North American .22,and that is all you have for a BUG = pray you never find out what you can do with only that as a back up plan.
Having been in a "moment" such as that ,I can attest to the amazing amount of "shrinkage" that you will suffer.
And the great story you will have = IF you survive.
A S&W 340PD is my usual BUG,and if traveling its a Glock 43 / 27 depending .
 
If you are considering the Glock 42, why not consider the Glock 43? Since you already carry a 9mm, I would stick with a backup in the same caliber if you end up choosing to carry a second semiauto. How do you carry your primary pistol and spare mag? That could factor in to carrying your backup.

Now for a joke

If you go with something small enough you could always try to rig up a spring deployment system to conceal along your arm.
 
I've got to get to my local shop to handle a few things, but are the lightweight compact revolvers going to be significantly wider than a small .380 auto?
I carry on occasion a Walther ppsm2 9mm on my ankle. It's amall enough and light enough so that after a while it's not noticeable. My .02.
 
Okay folks, I've toyed with this for a while now, and I think I've finally talked myself into incorporating an ankle carried backup gun to my EDC setup. Presently I carry a 9mm Walther P99 or Walther PPS as my primary carry along with a spare magazine. The question that I have is what is the preferred avenue for an ankle carried gun? A super slim and compact auto like a Kahr P380, Ruger LCP, Glock 42, or Colt Mustang Lite or a small .38 Spl. revolver like a Smith & Wesson J Frame or Ruger LCR? Either route looks to be a wash with respect to size and weight. Is there any distinct advantage one to the other in this application?
Buy some of those exercise ankle weights in a 1# or so configuration. Put it around your ankle for a few days and walk, jog, run with it and see if it is for you. If you don't want to buy the weight, wear a heavy hunting boot on one foot and a real light sneaker on the other. I have never been a fan of ankle carry for anything, it is just not a normal feeling; You already are carrying a large capacity gun and a spare; maybe you could just carry another mag? Or at least look at pocket carry; JMO, YMMV.
 
289D38B9-3369-457E-9D30-AEB27A19A4C4.jpeg I carry Two J-Frames daily. One AIWB One in my off hand pocket. It doesn't matter that they are pointed at my junk or leg my finger can’t touch the trigger until I clear the holster. It’s very hard to accidentally pull the trigger on a J-Frame. I never lighten actions just smooth them. My finger touches the trigger when I am on target. Training/Practice is the key. The top gun in my picture is not a J-Frame but, is carried sometimes.
 
Been carrying a J Frame 38 in a Galco ankle holster for years. Comfortable, and ultra dependable.
 
I don’t like to tote a bunch of stuff but there’s always room for an LCP in the left front pocket, a knife in the watch pocket and a gun on the belt.
 
Last edited:
Ive been carrying BUG's in two holsters, for a number of years now. A DeSantis ankle holster, and a Smart Carry. My favorite is the Smart Carry.

If you are thinking ankle holsters, youre going to have to do your homework, and find one thats comfortable to you. Took me a while and number of "good make" (read that "expensive") holsters to do that, but once I found the Desantis, I found one I could comfortably wear for an 18 hour day.

Two things Ive also found that help with ankle carry, wear mid height "hikers", and the bottom of the holster, rests on top of the shoe, and takes a lot of the load off.

And as obvious as this might seem, wear pants with full cut legs. I normally wear Carhartt or Dickies type carpenter jeans, and I can easily hide, and access my Glock 26 in its ankle holster.

The Smart Carry is something that usually draws a lot of ire and hand-wringing, but thats mostly from those who have never used one. Ive come to find, its my most versatile holster, and I now have a number of them, and wont ever be without one again.

With the right pants, shorts, etc, you can carry up to full size handguns, easily and comfortably too, all day long, even without a shirt. The gun is easily accessed, even while sitting, and contrary to what many will tell you, isnt pointed at your "junk".

I started carrying my Seecamp in my first and quickly realized, I could carry my 26 or J frames in it. That was probably the last time I carried the Seecamps. This time of year, I normally carry my 26 in one, every day at work. Its the perfect holster for NPE's.

While you can carry full sized guns with the right pants, mid size works best. The largest Ive carried in mine, were SIG P239 and Glock 19 sized guns. With the pants I normally wear, the 26 works a bit better, and is more comfortable.
 
I have an old three inch j frame as a main carry and an LCP as a bug. With a three inch bbl I can get respectable velocity out of stout.38 special ammo, and the bobbed hammer and small wood grips make it exceptionally concealable a draw-able when iwb. It won’t carry as well in pocket as the less powerful LCP though.
 
9mm LCR would be a bit heavy, but be very compatible with your Walther.

If you don't care about ammo compatibility tho, I would go in the direction of a .38 or a P32 Kel Tec just because of how light the thing is. You could carry two P32's on each ankle and be able to draw with either hand or even dual wield them and look like a total boss.
 
You could carry two P32's on each ankle and be able to draw with either hand or even dual wield them and look like a total boss.

I think that only works if you have a Desert Eagle under each arm in a dual shoulder rig. Possibly a couple berettas on the belt too.
 
When I last carried SP101 revolvers regularly, I had no trouble carrying one on each side, at belt level, if wearing a jacket, vest, or sufficiently-voluminous shirt. The “primary” was at 0300, because that is where I carried my duty pistol, while on the clock. My first pair of holsters were the Galco Concealable, and over time, I replaced them with PMK holsters from Milt Sparks. I also used Sparks VM II holsters, when IWB was deemed desirable, due to clothing or other considerations.

If the cover garment was deemed unable to provide enough coverage volume, the weapon at 0300 remained, but the second would move to a Kramer pocket holster, or another more-esoteric location.

While at work, in police uniform, an SP101 rode in an Alessi ankle holster. Sometimes, I would use the ankle holster during personal time, too.

When a larger weapon was felt to be needed, I could substitute a larger revolver for one of the SP101 snub-guns, or simply add a weapon to the pair of snubbies.

I should note, that due to the thinness of my medium-sized fingers, I can get a full firing grip on an SP101, and with my youger eyes, in those days, I could shoot an SP101 about as well as my duty Glock, so I did not feel handicapped by the smaller weapons. I up-gunned, as perceived necessary, with larger revovers, which I could, and still can, shoot better than a Glock.

In 2004, I switched from G22 duty pistols, to a P229R. In 2006, I worked non-railed P229 pistols into my personal-time carry, which ended several years of carrying multiple revolvers during personal time, but I continued to regularly tote a back-up snub-gun, either SP101 or S&W J-snub.

I retired from LEO-ing earlier this year. I do not always carry two guns, these days, but it is not unusual. I am back to carrying mostly revolvers, with “primary” being as large as an GP100 or S&W Model 327 PC, and the usual second gun being as small as an Airlite J-snub. It remains to be seen whether I revert to carrying a pair of SP101 revolvers, as I need to do some ammo testing, to settle upon a modern load that takes advantage of their recoil-damping mass, while not battering my aging hands and wrists too much. A shoulder/arm injury has interfered with that ammo testing. Getting old is not for sissies!
 
When I last carried SP101 revolvers regularly, I had no trouble carrying one on each side, at belt level, if wearing a jacket, vest, or sufficiently-voluminous shirt. The “primary” was at 0300, because that is where I carried my duty pistol, while on the clock. My first pair of holsters were the Galco Concealable, and over time, I replaced them with PMK holsters from Milt Sparks. I also used Sparks VM II holsters, when IWB was deemed desirable, due to clothing or other considerations.

If the cover garment was deemed unable to provide enough coverage volume, the weapon at 0300 remained, but the second would move to a Kramer pocket holster, or another more-esoteric location.

While at work, in police uniform, an SP101 rode in an Alessi ankle holster. Sometimes, I would use the ankle holster during personal time, too.

When a larger weapon was felt to be needed, I could substitute a larger revolver for one of the SP101 snub-guns, or simply add a weapon to the pair of snubbies.

I should note, that due to the thinness of my medium-sized fingers, I can get a full firing grip on an SP101, and with my youger eyes, in those days, I could shoot an SP101 about as well as my duty Glock, so I did not feel handicapped by the smaller weapons. I up-gunned, as perceived necessary, with larger revovers, which I could, and still can, shoot better than a Glock.

In 2004, I switched from G22 duty pistols, to a P229R. In 2006, I worked non-railed P229 pistols into my personal-time carry, which ended several years of carrying multiple revolvers during personal time, but I continued to regularly tote a back-up snub-gun, either SP101 or S&W J-snub.

I retired from LEO-ing earlier this year. I do not always carry two guns, these days, but it is not unusual. I am back to carrying mostly revolvers, with “primary” being as large as an GP100 or S&W Model 327 PC, and the usual second gun being as small as an Airlite J-snub. It remains to be seen whether I revert to carrying a pair of SP101 revolvers, as I need to do some ammo testing, to settle upon a modern load that takes advantage of their recoil-damping mass, while not battering my aging hands and wrists too much. A shoulder/arm injury has interfered with that ammo testing. Getting old is not for sissies!

Lots of good info there. I'm still debating what to do, but I'm leaning more toward going the avenue of a small semi auto either AIWB or pocket carried in a sticky holster. With respect to a .380, the LCP II is a strong contender as is the Glock 42 and 43.
 
I don't carry a BUG anymore. But when I did it was a very small gun worn on the outside of the leg on the dominant side. Even the lightest firearms felt like I was carrying around a bag of lead. For awhile I moved the firearm to the inside of my support leg so it COULD be reached with either hand. That also helped out slightly with the weight distribution. The holster I used was a Blackhawk ankle holster (size12?) that works for small semi-autos. It uses a thumb break which I like for BUG carry retention. Weapons used for an ankle bug were AMT backup 380, Taurus TCP, Kel-tec P3AT, and S&W Bodyguard. I had a small knife pouch sewn onto the lower leg strap that easily accommodated the spare magazine for the BUG I carried.

If I went back to carrying a BUG, I would probably carry it cross draw to my primary. I don't think I would ever go back to ankle carry unless there was no other alternative.
 
I don't carry a BUG anymore. But when I did it was a very small gun worn on the outside of the leg on the dominant side. Even the lightest firearms felt like I was carrying around a bag of lead. For awhile I moved the firearm to the inside of my support leg so it COULD be reached with either hand. That also helped out slightly with the weight distribution. The holster I used was a Blackhawk ankle holster (size12?) that works for small semi-autos. It uses a thumb break which I like for BUG carry retention. Weapons used for an ankle bug were AMT backup 380, Taurus TCP, Kel-tec P3AT, and S&W Bodyguard. I had a small knife pouch sewn onto the lower leg strap that easily accommodated the spare magazine for the BUG I carried.

If I went back to carrying a BUG, I would probably carry it cross draw to my primary. I don't think I would ever go back to ankle carry unless there was no other alternative.
This is why I said P32 and only the P32 for ankle carry. The further away from the torso you get, the heavier everything feels. For a snub revolver in the BUG role, I think the best place to carry that is going to be right on the pelvis or inside the pocket.

The NAA mini revolvers aren't bad for the ankle either, but I prefer to be able to draw those in a standing position or anywhere I would be able to draw it from in the event I was on my back being pinned down by somebody.
 
I don't like ankle carry at all. Short of reading a bad situation, ducking away, and drawing the gun I don't see how I would ever be able to get to my gun without being beaten to the punch.

I do sometimes carry in my boot when I want to be armed without being armed, so to speak. A sub 2" .22 magnum NAA mini is about all I can deal with in my footwear.
 
Backup gun is a P32 in the front pocket in a Desantis holster with spare mag. This is much easier and convenient than ankle carry which I tried many years ago and found it less than ideal. The pocket BUG can also offer an advantage in certain situations where you can have your hand on the gun in the pocket without being obvious about it. Drawing from IWB or even just getting your hand on it before presenting can be taken as a threatening act while a casual hand in the pocket which is holding the BUG can be completely innocuous but speedy if needed.

The vermin around these parts are VERY conscious of where their potential victims hand/s might be and really don't like you having a hand in coat or pants pocket....just because of the possibility that you have a gun. When my hand is in my coat or pants pocket....you can bet that there is a gun in it.:) This approach beats the daylights out of carrying down on the ankle.
 
This is why I said P32 and only the P32 for ankle carry. The further away from the torso you get, the heavier everything feels. For a snub revolver in the BUG role, I think the best place to carry that is going to be right on the pelvis or inside the pocket.

Splitting hairs. The guns I listed were in the same weight area as the P32. P32 weighs 10.1 oz loaded. P3-AT is 11.1oz. TCP is 10.2 oz. I used to train with 5lb weights around my ankles for high school track. The difference was they were balance, one on each foot. An option to reduce ankle carry weight would be to carry some other EDC part on the other leg. Wallets and such.
 
You want it thin, you want light weight, your want it fast. Ain't no way I could ever be fast with a backup gun all the way down to my ankle strapped to a holster. Like Armored Farmer, I carry a light weight pistol with a Clipdraw. In fact, I believe a backup is better than carrying a extra magazine. A backup would be much faster in you dropped your gun for what ever reason, clearing a jam etc. And you can simply carry on the opposite side in cross draw for fast action. So thin and lightweight, easy to carry Iwb. It also helps disperse weight. For myself, it is the Beretta Pico.
Fast lightweight 9mm on the right, Fast backup to the left.

FULLY LOADED AND READY FOR ACTION

2FRDoGh.png
 
As an update, I've done away with the possibility of ankle carrying a BUG as none of my work pants will fit over an ankle holster in a manner that will allow me to access the gun by pulling up on the trouser leg...yes, I'm one of those wierdos that wears very form tailored suits with tapered pant legs. Having said, that, I've also found that wearing the gun AIWB with my shirt tucked over it won't work well either as it will make my waist line look super unnatural. I think I may try belly band type of carry solution with a small auto. Still trying to decide between a Glock 42/43 and a Kahr CW380 or CM9.
 
Have you ruled out pocket-carry also? That CW380 should carry easily in typical non-jeans front pockets. The 42 might, too, but I've never tried one.
 
I'm now back to tossing this around, but for a different purpose. The weather is changing and last weekend, it was rather nippy so I wore a winter coat zipped up which would make access to my belt carried P99 a little tough, so I'm back to thinking about grabbing a small single stack 9mm, 380, or .32 for pocket carry in my winter coat.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top