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Here is the message I received from Rep. Woodruff at 4:28 PM CST: The first lifetime handgun license in the Country is on the way to the Governors office for signature! It passed the House with 78 votes
We're talking about HB 1176. Let me just give a short (I'll try) recap, for the benefit of the new members on the e-mail list, of what we've been doing for the last two months here in Indiana.
Out of frustration that some carry permit applicants have had with some local law enforcement agencies on applying or renewing their carry permits, the 2nd Amendment Patriots decided to do something about it.
We started last year by contacting Indiana State Senator Johnny Nugent about introducing a bill that would allow for on line hand gun carry permit renewal application. Writing the language collectively with Sen. Nugent, that bill passed the Senate on a 48 to 2 vote. However, when it went to the House the Chairman of the committee it wound up in caved under pressure from the State Police and it never got a hearing.
This session we tried it again, but this time besides Sen. Nugent (R) introducing it in the Senate under SB 054 our very good friend Indiana Representative Troy Woodruff (R) introduced the same language in the House under HB 1176. He met with the 2nd Amendment Patriots late last year to go over the wording of the bill. The strategy was to have two horses in the race. This has proven to be the most important decision in this entire effort.
Along about the 10th of December SB. 054 was scheduled a hearing in a committee Chaired by Sen. Long. Four members from the 2nd Amendment Patriots drove to Indianapolis to testify on behalf of the measure. This time even the Indiana State Police claimed to support it. But when they announced what they projected the cost of the web site would be it thru the brakes on the bill. Sen. Long would not allow for a committee vote and that put things in limbo.
A few days later Sen. Nugent called and told Margie that our bill was in trouble because of the "money" issue. That's when we decided to change up and go for a lifetime carry permit. That would eliminate all our problems and it would be the first in the Nation.
Rep. Woodruff immediately amended his bill with that language. But then the same chairman who caved in last year was not tripping over himself to give this bill a hearing and when he did he stripped all of the language out and put in his own. To say the least Rep. Woodruff was upset. Again, using strategy, he allowed the bill to proceed on and when it got to the floor he amended his language back in and it passed.
HB 1176 went to the Senate and SB 054 came to the House. Rep. Woodruff went to work on SB 054 to read just like 1176. At that point 54 became our lead dog, but Sen. Nugent kept things going with HB 1176 while it was in the Senate. You still with me?
Everything was looking good. Two strong bills with lots of support. SB 054 passed out of the Senate on a 49 to 1 vote and 1176 had passed out of the House with over 75% of the votes. But then things started to get crazy.
People started attaching things to these bills, some of which had nothing to do with carry permits. Much of it was money and fees and how they would be dispersed. Over these past 2 months there have been an enormous amount of phone calls and e-mails between these two fine legislators and those of us in the 2nd Amendment Patriots, taking things out and putting things in.
But then came a major addition. HB 1028, Firearms and Self Defense, that was introduced by Rep. Koch was amended into our bills. I'm told by some contacts in Indy that this bill was inspired by the NRA. It is a good bill, which is similar to the Florida Castle Doctrine, but it's controversial. It's a no retreat measure that allows people to use deadly force to protect themselves and their property.
The problem was that when both SB 054 and HB 1176 got back to their prospective houses 1028 in our bill became an issue.
The President Pro Tempore Sen. Bob Garton was seeing 1028 as a self defensive issue and SB. 054 as a licensing issue. Here's where the Senate rules of germane come into play. According to my phone conversation with Sen. Nugent that sent it to the lawyers to make a determination. Time is now running short for the session will end in just about 3 or 4 days.
Sen. Nugent called Margie this morning to tell her that he and Rep. Woodruff have put HB 1176 back in front and stripped out the 1028 language. This evening I talked with Troy Woodruff and he told me that bill is now on it's way to the Governor and that it will be signed. The only piece that was missing from HB 1176 was that language about allowing folks to apply for their lifetime carry right away.
Troy told me that he felt if he would have made any changes at this late date we stood a good chance of not having the lifetime permit. I know he's right. He's hoping we can get the State Police to accommodate us on this point.
The Governor may sign it right away and then there will be a ceremonial signing at a later date. I'll keep you posted.
There was a lot more to this very ambitious adventure than what I've written here and a whole lot of hard work on the part of Rep. Troy Woodruff and Sen. Johnny Nugent and all you good Americans in the 2nd Amendment Patriots. Margie and I thank you all.
I am disappointed that the NRA/ILA news alert that went out this past Saturday made no mention of Indiana and what we've done here, especially after I asked them last week to consider putting out just a little notice.
Larry Pratt, President of Gun Owners of America, on the other hand was quick to offer assistance in any way we needed it. I hope that if we do have a special signing that Larry Pratt and our two formidable legislators, Sen. Nugent and Rep. Woodruff and those in the 2nd Amendment Patriots will all be on hand for it.
So OK it wasn't a short letter. Thanks again to all of you,
Jim and Margie
2nd Amendment Patriots
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