Infirmities? Auto vs. Revolver

In my young and booming early 20s, I got avascular necrosis in my right wrist. I am right handed. After the surgery, I was in a cast for a really long time.

I had to learn to do everything left handed, one handed, and even after the cast came off it took years to get my right hand, wrist, arm etc back in the game (and it still ain't what it was).

Anyway, a could load a revolver one handed faster than trying to load mags. I could operate a revolver left handed. That was the first time I really remember going to revolvers for all handgun purposes. A 586 four inch and model 85 snub covered my bases.
 
I'd think it would be easier in a pinch to cock a hammer using the side of a table or object, than it would be to wrack a slide, and hope it chambered a round. Like in a pinch and if I was having issues with my hands, for sure I would want the revolver.
You're saying cocking the hammer of a revolver on a table for every shot rather than racking the slide on an auto-loader, once, to get a nearly unlimited number of shots, would be easier?

It just goes to show, everybody is different.


Edit to add: The "cocking a revolver hammer on a table or object" comment got me thinking. I pulled out my S&W 686. I find it much easier racking an auto-loader slide on something rather than cocking the hammer of my 686 on some object.
 
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You're saying cocking the hammer of a revolver on a table for every shot rather than racking the slide on an auto-loader, once, to get a nearly unlimited number of shots, would be easier?

It just goes to show, everybody is different.


Edit to add: The "cocking a revolver hammer on a table or object" comment got me thinking. I pulled out my S&W 686. I find it much easier racking an auto-loader slide on something rather than cocking the hammer of my 686 on some object.
maybe. never compared side by side like you did here. just antother option. I'd also be concerned with injured or arthritic hands, if I short stroked the slide and a round noses up, and it jams, then I'd have a whole other issue to solve, with injured or arthritic hands, and with revolver all you still need to do, is get the hammer cocked.
 
Numerous times, usually posted in the Revolver section
of The High Road, shooters have said they've turned to
revolvers because they can no longer work the slides of
the auto pistols.
I've always found the opposite to be true, for me: auto pistols have been easier to operate than double-action revolvers. It's that long, hard trigger pull that's difficult to master. And some big, ergonomically-challenged revolvers, such as the M1917 Colt and S&W, are practically hopeless. Easiest of all are the modern striker-fired autos. YMMV, of course.
 
Speaking of cocking a revolver, as my Mother aged, she had problems with the DA trigger on her SP-101 in .38 Special. I took it to a gunsmith and, with his guidance (he wouldn't do the work - liability concerns), he talked me through taking the handgrips off to access the coil spring. He had me nip off a half turn of the spring, then test the trigger pull. IIRC, I ended up taking off 1.5 - 2 full turns to lighten the trigger's weight. For a couple of years, that worked for her before even that got to be too much. Then, I put a half inch piece of black rubber tubing on the trigger on the trigger spur itself and taught her how to hold the trigger against the edge of the table next to the bed and use both hands to push down to cock the gun. That worked for the last year she was able to remain in her home.

Now that gun rests in a drawer next to my bed.
 
By the way, Beretta has really worked on their triggers and the
DA/SA is really no problem
, especially for those already familiar
with DA revolvers.
Good to hear that Beretta’s DA/SA trigger units have finally caught to the smoothness of S&W 3rd Gen DA/SA triggers. :thumbup:
 
My Friend lost an arm, years ago in a logging accident, his dominant arm at the time. We shot IDPA together and he placed up with the better SS - low EX with a .45 1911 and little lower down the list in 3 gun but all with only one hand.

This is him, on two Texas stars, one day when the match was rained out but we still wanted to shoot.


He didn't use things like magazine loaders, had a manual transmission in his truck too but I can't remember him ever shooting a revolver.
 
As you age most older people develop neuropathy .. personally I developed neuropathy due to a neck injury and cervical fusion surgery…
I stay fit .. but still have weird weakness that comes and goes in my hands and forearms
 
Uncle Ed, I share your sentiments on the M9/92. It feels great in my hand, I can operate the slide, it decocks & has capacity. If I had to carry it, I wouldn't complain.
 
Reading posts about INFIRMITIES: AUTO or REVOLVER, I wondered if there are any companies that cater to adapting the firearm (auto or revolver) to an individual's
infirmity. Pretty much like adapting hand controls to a vehicle for someone who has limited use of their legs. Maybe something like the addition to the hammer of a revolver, like what is used
when mounting a scope on a lever action rifle.
 
Might be tough to find a revolver out of the box with a light enough DA trigger pull to satisfy the OP's needs. Good gunsmithing and some luck with spring replacement are options but may impede 100% ignition.

That said, my two son's M&P 9's offer light weight slide racking force IMHO. My one P365 by Sig is similar. HTH's Rod
 
For those who have 9mm and 40 caliber autos you can now get a revolver in those calibers that do not use moon clips. I recently shot one and will be purchasing one in 9mm and 40 caliber.
 
I have a unique issue which allows me to fire a DA revolver faster than most autos. I have nerve damage in my hand that hinders my ability to extend my trigger finger. Flexion (pulling the trigger) is not affected but extending the finger to allow trigger reset is slow and, after a few rounds VERY slow. The trigger return spring in most autos is not strong enough to overcome this; I have to consciously move my finger forward and that is where the weakness becomes an issue. The return force of the trigger in a DA revolver is more than enough to move my trigger finger for me so, as a result, I'm probably in a very small minority of people who can actually fire multiple rounds from a revolver more quickly than a semi-auto.
 
I have a unique issue which allows me to fire a DA revolver faster than most autos. I have nerve damage in my hand that hinders my ability to extend my trigger finger. Flexion (pulling the trigger) is not affected but extending the finger to allow trigger reset is slow and, after a few rounds VERY slow. The trigger return spring in most autos is not strong enough to overcome this; I have to consciously move my finger forward and that is where the weakness becomes an issue. The return force of the trigger in a DA revolver is more than enough to move my trigger finger for me so, as a result, I'm probably in a very small minority of people who can actually fire multiple rounds from a revolver more quickly than a semi-auto.
The other side of that; Jerry Mickulek complains of outrunning the trigger on his revolvers....which often sound a Gatling gun in his hands.
Old Grouch, a very creative solution to a troubling problem.
Moon
 
This subject has become a weird reality for me.
I have no issues racking slides. My problem is snappy recoil and the action of the slide just kills my right wrist, but I am just fine with my standard (full size) Glocks and my revolvers.
I recently sold my Glock 43 and 48 MOS. I had 3 reasons for selling them.
1. They didn’t fit my hands - I have big hands
2. Recoil had become too snappy for my wrists.
3. Last but not least, I used the money to buy a CZ 457. BONUS! :cool:
 
Just within the past few months, I noticed that my dry-fire routine, to train for double-action revolver shooting, and to keep my index fingers strong, was starting to vex the arthritis in my right index finger. Then, within the past two weeks, the problem is starting to show in my left index finger. So, a few days ago, I had a range session with my Glock G17 pistols, with a local instructor coaching me. It is a good idea to get critiquing/coaching, occasionally, and, I wanted to make sure I was not reinforcing any bad technique or habits.

The Glock G17 had previously come to my rescue, in 2015, soon after my then-chief had OK’ed 9mm to again be an alternative duty pistol cartridge. .40 S&W had been the standard duty cartridge since 1997, with .45 ACP regaining its status as an alternative duty pistol cartridge in 2012. with the opportunity to switch to 9mm, I also decided to go with the Glocks’s lower bore axis, and flexible polymer frame, in the same move, retiring my SIG P229. The .40 S&W, fired from a high-bore-axis, aluminum alloy-frame P229, had started to vex the arthritic in my right thumb and wrist as early as the time I turned age 50, in 2011. I do not “blame“ the SIG P229, or .40 S&W, for causing the problem. In the Eighties, during my immortal twenties, I had shot too many big-bore Magnum rounds, through S&W N-Frames that were too big for my K/L-Frame-sized hands. I fired the vast majority of the Magnums rounds right-handed, while tending to shoot my milder “back-up” guns left-handed.

After retiring from LEO-ing in 2018, I gradually transitioned to medium-sized revolvers for most carry, because an autoloader is at its best when it is supported and controlled my two strong hands. Ulnar Nerve problems sometimes resulted in my right hand not providing the firmest platform, to support auto-loading function. Revolvers do not require such firm support. But, with long-stroke double-action trigger-pulling becoming a problem, in and of itself, shifting back to shorter-trigger-stroke autos is looking like my next adaptation to handgunning while aging becoming infirm

Full-size duty autos are more-forgiving of “limp-wristing.” In my case, it is not so much limp wrist support, as it is lack of most-firm thump support, which amounts to the same thing as not maintaining a firm wrist. So, I amgoing to be dressing around big pistols, more of time. I am also going to be ordering a better lefty holster, because, my healthier left hand is likely to do a better job of support the weapon, especially if/when I am compelled to shoot one-handed. Thankfully, I write lefty, anyway, so, trigger control is not a problem, when shooting lefty. i have carried on my right side, for 40+ years, because I throw right-handed, and the draw seemed more natural when done right-handed, especially the type of draw I used in police academy training in 1983/1984, with hefty S&W L-Frames from the then-mandated low-slung duty holster. So, lefty carry is becoming part of my adaptation to handgunning while aging and becoming infirm.

Why dress around a large pistol? Well, little guns are no longer fun to shoot. Some have become painful to shoot. I no longer shoot a Glock G19 right-handed, for example. Short-gripped handguns can really hurt the arthritis at the base of my right palm. Fortunately, my left hand does not yet have this problem, but, I would rather not tempt fate, too much.

Some will choose milder cartridges for defensive carry; milder than .38 special and 9mm. That may well become true, for me, too, but, for now, I am going to try to keep carrying 9mm in Glocks, and .45 ACP in Glocks and 1911 pistols. I already have .32 H&R revolvers, for the times I need something really compact.

This is a gradual transition. I am not going to lock-away all of my revolvers, just yet. I will dry-fire less often, with the medium/large GP100 and medium-frame S&W K-Frame. My smaller-frame SP101 and S&W J-Frames seems to vex my trigger fingers less, so these smaller revolvers may remain important carry guns.

Then, dare I say it, there are my single-action sixguns, with plenty of weight, and the grip design, to tame recoil, and the short single-action trigger stroke, to avoid vexing the joints in my trigger fingers. For field carry, sure, but, how many times will I be kilt in the streets, if I tote a single action sixgun in the urban landscape?
;)
 
I'm probably a rare dissenter, but I think you'd be just fine with a single action. Especially with a lower recoil 45 colt round.

I read your whole post and as you were describing the different areas of your hands affected by arthritis, I thought "hmm, I wonder if a single action..." and then sure enough, you addressed it in your final paragraph.

It may be worth exploring. I admit, I've basically stopped dry firing my revolvers. They angry up the tendons in my arm that are already inflamed from the necrosis and plate/pins in my right wrist. I will dry fire new revolvers, usually using snap caps, to help smooth out an overly heavy or gritty pull.

Doing an experiment, I would see if my revolver firing "cold" (first thing at the range) was affected, and over the last 6 trips I've seen no degradation. I think I will save the wear and tear (moreso on me than the guns!), and for the familiar trigger pulls of my current stable I should be well set.

When the pain and strength issues were at their worse, I did prepare with a smith 63 and ruger single action 22, figuring one of those should always be usable no matter the problem.

Yeah, not ideal, but they sure are fun and accurate. I think they will work if I do my part. I'm not there yet, thankfully. Wish I still had my stainless interarms ppk in 32. Best point shooter I've ever owned, and no recoil!
 
There are all kinds of reasons that a particular design of handgun may be a better choice for an individual than another. The most common misconception is that a revolver is always the best choice "because it won't jam", or its (potentially) smaller size, or what such-and-such statistics say, etc. Try getting anyone with or without "infirmities", without extensive and sustained training to quickly and effectively present and engage 2 targets in the vitals with 2 shots from a hard-recoiling, loud J frame 38 (or similar gun) in DA, at 10 yards (this will leave exactly 1 round in the gun for whatever may come next, assuming a "clean" engagement). The bottom line is that all that matters is getting rounds on target before you become a casualty. Misses and failure-to-engage make everything else irrelevant.
 
Cocking a revolver’s hammer against a table sounds extremely dangerous and would be awkward at best.
 
Cocking a revolver’s hammer against a table sounds extremely dangerous and would be awkward at best.
Edit to add: The "cocking a revolver hammer on a table or object" comment got me thinking. I pulled out my S&W 686. I find it much easier racking an auto-loader slide on something rather than cocking the hammer of my 686 on some object.
It was very awkward. I needed to rotate the gun down about 120 degrees (the muzzle is now facing down and to the rear) to get the hammer to a place where you can make contact with the table to enable you to cock it. Gripping the gun at that angle is not easy. There may be other ways, but that's what I figured out in my brief experiment.

Conversely, a 1911 with a GI guide rod, can be racked off the sights, or you could press the slide against a surface and cock the gun. On the other hand, I could get somebody to load up my gun, and a bunch of magazines, and I could theoretically never have to cock the slide ever again. Shoot until it locks back, then pop out a mag, and pop in a new one, drop the slide and start shooting again.
 
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Conversely, a 1911 with a GI guide rod, can be racked off the sights, or you could press the slide against a surface and cock the gun. On the other hand, I could get somebody to load up my gun, and a bunch of magazines, and I could theoretically never have to cock the slide ever again. Shoot until it locks back, then pop out a mag, and pop in a new one, drop the slide and start shooting again.
And if you wanted to be extra safe, push the slide open, push the slide release up to lock the slide, then insert a loaded mag and chamber in a safe controlled direction.
 
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