Interesting developments in the Parker appeal

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[David Kopel, September 16, 2007 at 10:53pm] Trackbacks
Significant Developments in DC Case on Handgun and Self-Defense Bans:

This spring, the DC Court of Appeals ruled in the case of Parker v. District of Columbia. The case had three important legal holdings: 1. Five of the six plaintiffs did not have standing to sue, because the mere threat of criminal prosecution for exercising their constitutional rights was not sufficient to confer standing. The ruling was based on an extension of a previous DC case, Navegar, which had involved challenges to the federal ban on "assault weapons."

2. The DC government's complete ban on handguns (other than handguns which were registered in DC before the ban went into effect) violated the Second Amendment.

3. DC's ban on the possession of functional long guns was also a violation of the Second Amendment. DC requires that all rifles and shotguns be locked up or disassembled, and there is no exception in the law for self-defense.

DC's attorneys asked the Court of Appeals to stay its mandate, so that the DC ordinances could remain in effect while DC petitioned the Supreme Court for a writ of certiorari.

But when DC filed its petition, the petition flagrantly violated DC's representations to the Court of Appeals. DC's petition for a writ of certiorari presents one, and only one question: "Whether the Second Amendment forbids the District of Columbia from banning private possession of handguns while allowing possession of rifles and shotguns." This question of course addresses the handgun ban, but does not address the separate holding of the ban on defensive long guns. By Supreme Court rules, the DC petition was required to list all statutes or ordinances which are at issue in the petition, and the DC petition does not list the ordinance containing the self-defense ban.

The strategic implications of DC's decision are enormous. It appears that DC has decided that its long-gun self-defense ban is constitutionally indefensible. The most logical inference is that DC (despite statements by the Mayor at press conferences) has concluded that it cannot convince the Supreme Court that the Second Amendment is not an individual right. DC is retreating to position that the individual Second Amendment right is not violated by a handgun ban, as long as individuals can possess other guns.

Consistent with the DC retreat, the cert. petition itself is quite short on legal reasoning, and amounts to a mini-policy paper on the alleged horrors of allowing licensed citizens to possess registered handguns in their own homes.

The only thing that the DC cert. petition says about the self-defense ban is in a footnote: "The majority read this provision to forbid loading, assembling, and unlocking even a lawfully possessed firearm for use in self-defense. App. 55a. On that reading, it held the provision unconstitutional. The District does not, however, construe this provision to prevent the use of a lawful firearm in self-defense."

Well, if DC thinks that the Court of Appeals "reading" of the straightforward language of the DC Code is incorrect, then the DC cert. petition could have asked the Supreme Court for a second reading. But the petition did not.

Instead, DC falsely told the Court that a person in DC "may lawfully possess a rifle or shotgun to protect himself."

Accordingly, Alan Gura, the lead lawyer for the appellants in the case, has moved that the DC Court of Appeals lift its stay of its mandate, regarding the striking of the unconstitutional ban on defensive long guns. The motion is available on-line, as are all other filings in the case. Gura's motion is an excellent example of forceful yet temperate legal writing.

Gura has also filed, with the Supreme Court, his own petition for a writ of certiorari, asking for a cross-appeal of the DC Court of Appeals' highly restrictive rule on standing, which he says is contrary to other Circuits, and to Supreme Court precedent.

DC now has 30 days to respond to Gura's cross-petition, so the time when the Supreme Court will decide on whether to grant cert. is at least a month distant (and probably further still, since some clerks may not even begin reading cert. petitions until everything is complete). Accordingly, should the Court grant cert., the case would probably among the very last for which oral argument was held in the coming Term.
 
DC is retreating to position that the individual Second Amendment right is not violated by a handgun ban, as long as individuals can possess other guns.

Is that a direction we want this to go? For the SC to possibly rule that it is OK to ban handguns as long as rifles and shotguns are left alone? Could one then not reason, that banning most guns are OK, as long as single shot .22 rifles are still available?
 
Is that a direction we want this to go? For the SC to possibly rule that it is OK to ban handguns as long as rifles and shotguns are left alone? Could one then not reason, that banning most guns are OK, as long as single shot .22 rifles are still available?

Not necessarily. By retreating on the issue of whether or not the 2nd confers an individual right and trying to focus on whether or not only banning certain arms only is ok, they set themselves up for failure. Because at that point you've got to look at WHY the 2nd Amendment is a personal right, and at that point you realize that it was so that citizens could own military arms so that they may fight any enemy foreign and domestic. And if a citizen can own military arms, they can own a handgun, which is an firearm used extensively in the military.

They would also be unable to justify banning any gun NOT used by a military force because generally those guns are usually seen as "less dangerous" and hence there's no real reason to ban them, since military arms are completely legal.

What they MIGHT decide is that the restriction on things like cannons or fully functional main battle tanks are ok, depending on whether or not they think the 2nd amendment refers to individually served arms or crew served arms.
 
Does DC have an assault weapons ban? Could I buy an AR15 in Virginia, register it, and keep it disassembled at my home in DC?
 
Andrewsky:
A weapon capable of using (not equipped with) a >12 round magazine is a machine gun in DC.

Kharn
 
So DC now says per the Second Amendment that it is ok to own long guns, but not handguns. If SCOTUS rules the Second Amendment applies to all firearms and banning a specific class of firearms (handguns) is unconstitutional, would that not also include Machineguns (1986 ban) and any state ban on so-called Assault Weapons?
 
Whilst awaiting SCOTUS review (and slightly off topic), should everything turn up roses for Gura/Parker's case, where would a DC resident be able to legally purchase a firearm (handgun) for legal use? Virginia? Maryland? Are there any FFL shops in DC and if no, how much legal tape would one need to open a gunshop within the District of Columbia borders? Whether or not one would one want to fight THAT legal battle is another question, as I'm sure the DC city fathers would put up a roll of redtape that would be awesome to behold.

While none of that is germaine to the opening post, it is a topic that sits somewhere in the back of my addled brain awaiting answer. Firearm ownership might be ruled legal yet there may never be a place from which one could lawfully purchase a handgun without crossing "state" lines and comply with 68 GCA rules. Sorta like being allowed to vote, if only you could read a chinese newspaper.
 
Could you elaborate on that a little bit, please? Or perhaps just translate it.
It's Internet speak for "ha ha - he showed you," in an extreme sense (domination, destruction, obliteration of the DC argument in this case). Often seen also as "pwned."
 
Firearm ownership might be ruled legal yet there may never be a place from which one could lawfully purchase a handgun without crossing "state" lines and comply with 68 GCA rules.

You would still have face-to-face sales with handguns already there (if they prohibit F2F sales, they would be required to let someone have FFLs to transfers). People moving to DC could take in firearms. Folks could even get a C&R license and buy a CZ. :)

Of course, the first thing they will do is create an "approved" list like CA and MD have and then spend the next 20 years approving the first firearm for sale in DC.
 
Is that a direction we want this to go? For the SC to possibly rule that it is OK to ban handguns as long as rifles and shotguns are left alone?
There's probably not much of a chance of such a ruling. It'd only take a lawyer with two braincells to rub together to ask if the 1st Amendment allows the banning of Judaism, so long as people can be Hindus or Lutherans instead.
 
I expect a very narrow ruling, if SCOTUS maintains it's past practices. I doubt we'll see a sweeping declaration on the 2nd ammendment.
 
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Stand back and reconsider.

The DC Circuit overturned the "functional gun ban".
DC does not challenge that in their SCOTUS appeal.
Therefore (temporary stay aside), there is no "functional gun ban" in DC, and shotguns/rifles are usable for self-defense.

Initially I had the same reaction of "they're lying!" But they are, in fact, correct: DC truly told the Court that a person in DC "may lawfully possess a rifle or shotgun to protect himself", subject only to the administrative elimination of the judicial stay on that prohibition.

...which leads to two curious issues:
- DC is pleading for a continued ban on handguns, which other than "they're icky and concealable" has no legal basis
- DC, having accepted "keeping" long guns, may soon face the prospect of residents (or even visiting citizens) suing for the right to "bear" the same for identical reasons.
 
This may well be the first crack in a brittle dyke.

Don't be eager for the one ruling that does it all. Like the civil rights rulings, which were built brick by brick, there's a definite sequence to things:

First: Clarify to who bears the right of arms: The People, or the State?
Next: Clarify which arms are protected: Sporting? Self Defense? Military?
Next: Clarify whether or not "bearing" is every bit as protected as "keeping"
Next: Clarify whether 2A is a restraint upon the states...like the rest of the bill of rights...or not.
Finally: Clarify what, if any legislation -can- be done that does not "infringe".
 
Additional thoughts:

I think what the bad guys are doing here...(yes, they are bad guys, not just merely the loyal opposition in an adversarial system)...is two fold.

First, they're going for the fall back position, which if taken to it's logical extreme is "the right of arms is not infringed so long as the people have the right to have the least consequential armament (single shot .22lr rifle?) under the most tighly regulated and narrowly construed circumstances".

Second, and perhaps bigger, I think their goal is to go for an ambiguous ruling, hoping that SCOTUS won't comment or rule beyond the immediate questions asked.

A great deal of their rhetoric depends on the logical fallacy of "Scotus has failed to overturn any gun control law on individual grounds, therefore it's collective."

In not -asking- the question, and potentially not having it answered, they again intend to spread FUD around after the fact, sagely nodding and saying, "see? SCOTUS looked at it, and they -still- haven't said it's individual", even though such a ruling would be implicit.

Fortunately, the good guys seem to be on top of it, having firmly couched the thing in terms of self defense, (which is indistinguishable from military purpose, if you're sharp), rather than trivial sporting purposes or the drecky substance of 99% of all gun cases: The right of bona fide criminals to be armed right up until they started their criminal activities.
 
Again, this makes me wonder:

Perhaps the apparent incompetence on the part of DC is purposeful, the purpose being to get the case rejected by the Supreme court. I am leaning towards the above, because no matter the outcome, this case will be very damaging to Democrats during the 2008 elections.
 
I think their goal is to go for an ambiguous ruling, hoping that SCOTUS won't comment or rule beyond the immediate questions asked.

A great deal of their rhetoric depends on the logical fallacy of "Scotus has failed to overturn any gun control law on individual grounds, therefore it's collective."

In not -asking- the question, and potentially not having it answered, they again intend to spread FUD around after the fact, sagely nodding and saying, "see? SCOTUS looked at it, and they -still- haven't said it's individual", even though such a ruling would be implicit.

DC is taking a huge risk with that strategy. Much of the Parker ruling from the DC Circuit Court of Appeals shows exactly why and how that Court came to the conclusion that the Second Amendment protects an individual right.
 
Perhaps the apparent incompetence on the part of DC is purposeful, the purpose being to get the case rejected by the Supreme court.

I kind of agree. If the ruling stands, then Parker vs. DC stands, and the handgun ban of DC goes away.

However, it's still a clear circuit conflict. Even if DC's petition in Heller said "We think that the handgun ban should stand because the moon is made of green cheese and Scalia's mother smells!" the SCOTUS would have to take it, no matter how disrespectful or badly reasoned.
 
I kind of agree. If the ruling stands, then Parker vs. DC stands, and the handgun ban of DC goes away.

I'd be very happy if that happens...because if that's the ruling, then you have the DC Circuit stating that the ban on an entire class of firearms is unconstitutional. That leads IMMEDIATELY to a suit filed in DC by some upstanding DC resident (maybe Heller himself?) who submits a Form 4 and is denied, based on Title 18, Section 922(o), the right to purchase a full auto gun manufactured after May of 1986. No, that's not a DC law, it is federal - but the Feds are based in DC, so jurisdiction will be there. The DC ban is on any firearm not registered after 1976, and they have declined to register any since then...just like Section 922(o), under which any full auto not registered by May of 1986 cannot be owned by a civilian, and the BATFE is bound to decline to register any of these.

IMHO, this is pretty much open and shut - there's no 14th Amendment issue, since post-1986 full autos are DIRECTLY banned by the Feds. It IS a ban. Oh, and the '34 NFA itself has been defended by the Feds in the past under the guise of "its a tax-raising measure." Oh, REALLY?? How can you raise taxes by registering full autos when, in fact, another provision of the law states that it is illegal for the government to register full autos (which would be the only way to collect the tax, since evidence of the registration is in the form of a tax stamp that the owner of the gun obtains upon ponying up the $200).

Thoughts, anyone?
 
I've been told though that the SC doesn't really like being played as a fool like that. They'd see the idiocy as insulting, and smack down D.C. for it.
 
A weapon capable of using (not equipped with) a >12 round magazine is a machine gun in DC
Which makes my son's Ruger 10/22 a super-duper assault weapon, since there is a 50-round aftermarket magazine available for it. I'm gonna' have to keep my eye on that boy.
 
A weapon capable of using (not equipped with) a >12 round magazine is a machine gun in DC

OK, here we have another potential case - is this utterly non-sensical definition valid? If so, where's the logical stopping point? Can DC say anything capable of accepting a >4 round magazine is a MG? How about ANY magazine (with the idea that any magazine can be extended, or that a new one could be easily designed and built to hold, say, 50 rounds)?

Does the fact that the federal definition of a MG is at least somewhat sensible (any firearm designed to be capable of firing more than 1 shot with each squeeze of the trigger), how does DC's FUBAR definition (esp. when DC is ruled by the Fed.gov) have any validity?
 
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