JTQ
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Lots of folks have been killed by FMJ rounds and will continue to be killed by FMJ rounds,
OK, lots of folks have also been stopped by FMJ and will continue to be stopped by FMJ.That, of course, is not the objective.
Lots of folks have been killed by FMJ rounds and will continue to be killed by FMJ rounds,
OK, lots of folks have also been stopped by FMJ and will continue to be stopped by FMJ.That, of course, is not the objective.
OK, lots of folks have also been stopped by FMJ and will continue to be stopped by FMJ.
OK, lots of folks have also been stopped by FMJ and will continue to be stopped by FMJ.
I'm not saying FMJ is better.Is that what makes it better ?
Are you having a debate with me?Yes. We are not asking if FMJ can kill people, or if it has stopped people. We are asking what, on a shot by shot basis is more effective in 40S&W pistols: FMJ or JHP? Got an answer for that?
This kind of statement is usually a kind of argument that using FMJ is just fine, because it has killed a lot of people dead, dead, dead. And sure, FMJ is not ineffective. For about 60 years or so, it was pretty much all there was for automatic pistols, except for stuff that didn't work any better, like soft-nosed or flat-nosed pistol bullets. And sure, nobody wants to get shot with anything.
But sometimes people are NOT deterred, and sometimes you need a pistol bullet to be effective, because one hit might be all you get if it doesn't stop who you are shooting at. If that's the case, what do you want to be shooting?
For stopping humans, the .40 S&W HP should be superior to the .40 S&W in FMJ form.
Are you having a debate with me?
"Lots"? Really? In .40 caliber?OK, lots of folks have also been stopped by FMJ and will continue to be stopped by FMJ.
How do you define "ineffective"?All I ever say in these FMJ vs HP debates is FMJ is not ineffective.
I think the data suggests exactly the opposite: Lucky Gunner .40S&W.. . . is there enough data to suggest that 40cal FMJ is a better defensive round than JHP?
If I remember right, I believe the FBI Miami shootout had one or more bullets that did not penetrate to the heart because it first went through the Ex-cons bicep from right to left (Platt, the primary shooter). The bullet (9mm Silvertips) went in and stopped an inch from his heart.Could someone explain to me why this is the case? I am not muscular, but I am heavy (about 225 lbs) and using a ruler, I can't seem to find any place on me where I am 12 inches thick back to front. I am wider than that side to side. Is that the concern here? Or is it penetrating barriers first?
Could someone explain to me why this is the case? I am not muscular, but I am heavy (about 225 lbs) and using a ruler, I can't seem to find any place on me where I am 12 inches thick back to front. I am wider than that side to side. Is that the concern here? Or is it penetrating barriers first?
Arms have a pesky way of getting in the way and can present several inches of penetration resistance. 12-inches helps ensure your bullet has adequate penetration potential to reach and pass through vitals from any angular aspect.
What reliability standard would you want if your bullets are gong to miss?When it comes to using a pistol to defend yourself, I would argue that it being utterly reliable is even more important than bullet penetration, expansion and even placement.
Do you have anything to support that argument?And even though modern semi-autos have come a very long way in terms of handling hollow-points reliably, I would still make the argument that the configuration of hardball bullets (smooth, gently tapered with no edges to "snag") makes them the least likely to cause trouble when chambering the cartridge.
God I love the info on this site. Much of it, especially from individuals who have been-there-done-that, is information that I didn't already know. In truth, I kinda knew the FMJ wasn't going to be the underdog victory between the two, but it's real nice to hear testimony and reasons behind the penetration recommendations.
I also appreciate the ammo suggestions. I have been carrying 180 exclusively (my theory being more mass = more penetration = more damage), but the 165gr. JHP will be my next investment...if I can find any
As always, thanks.
Why do you shoot your carry ammo often?Only my pistol is loaded with JHP. My reload mags are FMJ. I shoot my carry ammo often and can't budget to use that much JHP.
I do not think there's any reason to do that.I'm in the rainy, salty, snowbelt, and spend most of my time outdoors. So I shoot it to rotate in fresh ammo.