Is McCain in 08 really that bad?

[Lonestar]

Glockfan...you beat me to it. A Democratic Congress and a Democratic president would spell trouble. Even with a republican Congress, who was in power when AWB was passed??? (Honestly I'm not sure if that went down before or after the Newt and Republican took control after something like 40 yaers of Democrat control)

Rosie ODonnel running down Bay Watch beach wearing only a string bikini.

Ohh that is so hot!!!

 

[Mayo]

Better choose soon----it's going to be Hillary or Gore vs McCain--like it or not. I'll take McCain in that situation. I'm sure some will want to "send a message again" to the GOP and vote 3rd-----which could result in Hillary . Got to love those "message" votes, kinda like the "message" they sent to the LA cops when they said OJ was innocent. Nothing changed and OJ is free---vote smart!

 

[BigG]

McCain?

He is lower than snake - um, a snake's belly. But, I'll hold my nose and take him if it comes down to him or Hillry.

 

[Deanimator]

Personally, I think the definition of anti-gun you guys are using is a bit extreme. A person can be pro-gun and still think that some regulation is appropriate. It is not an all-or-nothing proposition.

So, what anti-gun measures can somebody support and still be "pro-gun"?

AWB?
Registration?
A ban on handguns?
A ban on all firearms except single shot shotguns?

Is somebody who believes that the 1st Amendment ONLY protects one's right to read position papers from the RNC/DNC (pick one), "pro-free speech"?

 

[foghornl]

McCain as the (R) candidate would make me vote (D)...even for Komrade Hitlary Klinton.

 

[cbsbyte]

I agree with McCain on many social and economic issues but his lap dog support for the Iraq conflict, Bush, and revoking our rights under false pretenses makes him unsupportable in the 08 election.

 

[SolaScriptura139]

Can you rent that at Blockbuster??? I ate some bad tofu last night and I need to

Actually, yes, they keep it in the horror section.


How is McCain on other issues?

 

[ravencon]

Maybe McCain will let you keep some guns.

You'll need 'em since he favors "open borders". Under McCain the U.S. will continue to be flooded with alien criminals.

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

Better choose soon----it's going to be Hillary or Gore vs McCain--like it or not. I'll take McCain in that situation. I'm sure some will want to "send a message again" to the GOP and vote 3rd-----which could result in Hillary . Got to love those "message" votes, kinda like the "message" they sent to the LA cops when they said OJ was innocent. Nothing changed and OJ is free---vote smart!

It's about more than just sending a message, though that is a worthy side effect. It's much more about principle. It's about being part of the solution, instead of part of the problem. You, by voting for increasingly left wing, pro police state, pro internationalist and pro "nation building" Republicans, are part of the problem.

The system right now is set up so that the Republicans will always seem a fraction of an inch preferable to the Democrats, both being about a millions times worse than what productive honest Americans would actually like. You are being led by the nose, and I won't join you in that game. The number of Americans not willing to be led by the nose in this way is gradually growing. There is hope for a solution, even if slight, but ONLY if enough people stop being part of the problem and start being part of the solution, and only if enough people stop thinking only in terms of THIS elections cycle. If we don't start looking at the big picture, we are surely doomed. You'd have to be blind not to see that.

 

[GRIZ22]

The comment about being "intrigued" by new technolgy which prevents unauthorized users from firing a gun. This is where you have to wear a ring or bracelet with a micro chip to make the gun work.

NJ has already passed a law that says when these guns hit the market they will be the only handguns allowed for sale to the public. The law doesn't say they have to work, just be on the market. Police are exempt from this law which shows you how much faith the lawmakers have in this technology.

To make matters worst, research on these types of guns is being done at a state owned college. Taxpayers money is being used to fund this.

This makes key locks built into the gun look good.

 

[shermacman]

Is McCain in 08 really that bad?

No.
He is worse. He has done enough damage to the First and Second Amendments for one person in one lifetime. We can not let the choice come down to McCain v. Herself.

 

[Mayo]

It's about more than just sending a message, though that is a worthy side effect. It's much more about principle. It's about being part of the solution, instead of part of the problem. You, by voting for increasingly left wing, pro police state, pro internationalist and pro "nation building" Republicans, are part of the problem.

The system right now is set up so that the Republicans will always seem a fraction of an inch preferable to the Democrats, both being about a millions times worse than what productive honest Americans would actually like. You are being led by the nose, and I won't join you in that game. The number of Americans not willing to be led by the nose in this way is gradually growing. There is hope for a solution, even if slight, but ONLY if enough people stop being part of the problem and start being part of the solution, and only if enough people stop thinking only in terms of THIS elections cycle. If we don't start looking at the big picture, we are surely doomed. You'd have to be blind not to see that.

Speech aside----FACT IS at this point either a D or R is goig to be President despite your protest. Not saying it's the right thing, only the way it is. Until a 3rd party candidate actually has a chance(nowhere near that point) you are stuck with McCain vs Hillary. A 3rd party vote then = whoever the rest of you vote in I will have to abide by. Instead you COULD make a difference 1 way or the other. You are trying to present a 3rd option for President that isn't there yet.

 

[BigG]

GRIZZ22: All my guns are dumb guns!

 

[longeyes]

Yes, he's really that bad. McCain-Feingold? McCain-Kennedy? Need I go on?

300 million people and our choices are McCain & Giuliani? Absurd.

I just heard Jackie Mason on the Laura Ingraham show: HE'S PRO-GUN!

 

[SolaScriptura139]

Police are exempt from this law which shows you how much faith the lawmakers have in this technology.

You would think that the police would want to carry this type of firearm. It it works, police would never really have to worry about someone getting their gun and using it on them.

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

Instead you COULD make a difference 1 way or the other.

As someone has already commented, that's basically a choice between in which testicle you'd like a hernia. Even if I'm pretty certain to get a hernia no matter which way I vote, call me crazy, but I'll still vote for not having one.

That said, I do not concede that by not voting for a Republican this time around I have made no difference. I was part of a movement that actually did get many Republicans thinking about getting back to core principles. I was also part of a movement that removed a lot of leftist Republicans from office, and replaced them with pro gun Democrats. Republicans would have to be pretty stupid not to take a lesson from that. Care to belittle message sending again?

 

[AirForceShooter]

Yeah:
McCain is that bad.
And Rudy is worse.

AFS

 

[articdog]

Echoing the above

When I've travelled in Arizona, I continually hear about McCain speaking out of both sides of his mouth, saying one thing and then advocating something else, and blowin' in the wind on issues. Doesn't sound like anybody I'd rely on for Second Amendment support if elected President.

I like the idea that the candidate has to EARN your vote instead of holding your nose while you choose the lesser of two stinkers.

 

[Boats]

John McCain is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.

 

[Igloodude]

Has McCain said that he'd sign the AWB renewal if it ever got to his desk?

 

[bouis]

"Hypocrisy, my friends, is the most obvious of political sins -- and the people will punish it," he said. "We were elected to reduce the size of government and enlarge the sphere of free and private initiative. We increased the size of government in the false hope that we could bribe the public into keeping us in office.

http://www.startribune.com/587/story/817348.html

Wouldn't it be nice if meant what he said?

 

[Mayo]

As someone has already commented, that's basically a choice between in which testicle you'd like a hernia. Even if I'm pretty certain to get a hernia no matter which way I vote, call me crazy, but I'll still vote for not having one.

That said, I do not concede that by not voting for a Republican this time around I have made no difference. I was part of a movement that actually did get many Republicans thinking about getting back to core principles. I was also part of a movement that removed a lot of leftist Republicans from office, and replaced them with pro gun Democrats. Republicans would have to be pretty stupid not to take a lesson from that. Care to belittle message sending again?

Not the same choice. Both may be bad in your eyes but 1 isn't = bad as the other. Sometimes you have to make a choice where neither is good in life. Be it D or R, raising taxes, not raising, pro abortion, anti-abortion---they are not the same on all issues---so you are making a choice. By not making a choice you are letting it be decided for you. As the song says---"If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice". You are missing my point----I don't care if you go D or R----but rest assured 100% that it is going to be a D or R elected President. If you can't figure out that even though you might hate both, you still can't hate both equally since they don't agree on all issues.
Care to belittle message sending again----ABSOLUTELY. Jury sent a message to LA Police and the result was OJ walking. Cut off your nose to spite your face but that's the way it is!

 

[Mayo]

That said, I do not concede that by not voting for a Republican this time around I have made no difference

I'll agree with that. Now you are 1 step closer to a gun ban then you were before the elections----CONGRATS.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

McCain received over $2 million in contributions from former Handgun Control Inc. Board of Director and AGS founder, Andrew McKelvey in 1999 and 2000. In addition to appearing in theater ads supporting AGS safety lock agenda, McCain has also sponsored legislation for background checks on private sales every year since 2000.

This thread and past threads at THR have documented his history on the Second Amendment quite well. His history on the First Amendment is even worse. I will absolutely not support McCain in either the primary or general election and I don't care who is running against him. I wouldn't go quite that far with Giuliani; but there would have to be some miracle change of heart that I was unaware of before I could support him either.

 

[bg]

Yep McCain would see to it that law abiding gun enthusiasts
would get ham strung while illegal aliens mostly get a
free pass. Things look dark for 08.