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Is recoil relative or is it just me?

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NOT SURE ,

but I'm 6.6 275lbs and went to sight in a 12 GA slug gun with 3" mag, after 20-25 i didn't want anymore, went back with 2 3/4, say what you will that son of a gun had a kick :what:

sorta reminds me of my 45-70, I'm sure there are bigger and harder kicking guns i just don't remember them hitting that hard when i was 25 lol

sux to start getting old-errrrrrrrrrr:cuss:
 
there are very limited merits in growing older, and wisdom with age is more imagined than real
but learning to do things slower and in smaller steps ain't all bad !
;)
 
I don't think it's just you...Recoil is different from person to person, regarding grip and trigger squeezing skills...BUT, I personally believe that different kinds of ammo, slide weights, weight distribution of slide and frame, etc. affects recoil more than individual people. Don't get me wrong, I've seen some shooters stand firm and solid shooting .45-70's whereas I've also seen some amateurs shoot AR's and bounce everywhere...I think it's a little bit of both, just work around it and focus on where the bullet is hitting...Recoil is nothing if you can hone your sight re-acquisition, grip and trigger squeeze skills.
 
From my experience recoil control is more related to technique than strength. I have a few small female friends that can shoot my .44 just fine because they have good fundementals and proper grip. I have a couple 6'+ male friends that don't like it because it hurts too much. They don't shoot nearly as much as the girls.
 
A lot of small guys handle recoil better than big guys because they relax and let their bodies flex with the recoil. Big guys stand there all rigid and let their bodies absorb all the recoil without any give. This is especially true with rifles and shotguns.

Being relaxed and comfortable with what you are shooting is the key.
 
My dad played the old 5 .38's and 1 357magnum trick on me when I was 10. That is, in the cylinder of a revolver, the first 5 shots were 38 spl and the last one was a 357. That is the only time when recoil was too much for me. And that is only because I wasn't expecting it. A couple minutes later I was shooting full cylinders of 357.
 
my personal take on felt recoil is that at some point it stops being fun and starts being work. my 6x47 is pure fun, my .243 is fun, my 30-06 is fun for the first couple boxes, my .300 is fun for the first deer. At some point in time everything ive shot past the 6x47 starts being work, paying attention to breathing, and twitch, not letting yourself get jumpy expecting the retardedly loud BANG! Each of the other calibers i use has its place and ive gotten good at shooting them. Ive also gotten decent at shooting and other less entertaining guns (one of the nastiest being a 20ga h&r single shot with a realy short stock). BUT give any choice at all as to what i shoot its usualy my 6x47 or a .22. Im 6,2 290 for referance LOL
 
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Ergonomics at work.

My shorter friends and family have a good number of compact pistols between them. At 6'5" with Palm-a-basketball-hands I can't really tolerate the twisty jumpy little buggers. I have to amp up my grip enough that it ruins my hand for the rest of the day. (the Bersa .380 leaves a great welt no matter how I hold the thing)

On the other hand, they tend to politely turn down offers of the .45 and .40. they've learned their lessons.

No amount of "it's only a cowboy load" can wean them off of their modern guns.

If you aren't used to anything larger than a 9mm, a .40 can be a bit surprising, and any sentences starting with "forty-XXXX" scare some people outright.
 
I've read of some petite women shooting 1911s, large bore revolvers, 12-gauge shotguns and the like just fine. Part of it is psychological. If you've convinced yourself beforehand that you can handle the recoil, chances are you will. Conversely, if you convince yourself that the recoil will be uncontrollable or painful, it is likely to be a self fulfilling prophecy.
 
One often overlooked aspect of felt recoil is the mass of the shooter. When I was in high school my Dad would take me dove hunting. After a day in the field shooting up several boxes of 12 ga shells, Dad would come home with a blue shoulder but it never bothered me. At the time I weighed about 150 pounds and Dad weighed around 300. Because of his extra mass, Dad soaked up much more of the recoil energy before his big body moved while my light weight frame moved easily. What if you weighed 150 and shot a 12 ga with another 150 pound man braced against your back? That is what it was like for my Dad.
 
recoil

One of my shooting buddies states that the 30/06 or similar is the most recoil that anyone can tolerate without eventually flinching. Once you get beyond that threshold level, it gets really uncomfortable really quick.
We both shoot high-power silhouette, where a match is 40 shots and any flinching results in an automatic miss. At big shoots like state championships or the Sierra classic there can be 2 or 3 matches in a day. A 7/08 or .260 is comfortable but shooting a .300 Winchester magnum for a single 40 round match is something that I could not tolerate.
A lot of it is also technique. When I started shooting trap, my shoulder would be visibly bruised after 100 shots. Now it is not a big deal to go through 500 in a day. A box of 3 inch magnum slugs in my Ithaca Deerslayer II going way beyond having fun.
 
Loon - I couldn't say it better myself. I can shoot my garand all day and not feel it. It is fun, and I don't worry about when it is going off. I have a .308 single shot which hits quite a bit harder, well the recoil pulse isn't buffered by a spring or a heavier rifle. My .308, I'm good on the first box, the second one I have to concentrate more on breathing, trigger control, eliminating instinctual tensing before a shot, not anticipating the shot, and maintaining sight picture. I still enjoy shooting it, but it becomes work about 1/4 way through the second box. My .30-30 I'll do all day because I still have ammo left... it isn't work, even if I am working on shooting form.

Lone - I have a friend who shoots a .300 wby. You can tell he has some trigger time with it, even though it is a thumper. Every time he goes to shoot it, he has to psych himself into it. I had never shot one before and he let me touch off a round. I was standing, so I wasn't really leaning into it like I would from the prone. I thought it was very comfortable. I went in thinking that it wouldn't be as bad as my shotgun with slugs (I had to cut the stock to make it fit right and I still remember what it felt like before it was shortened).
 
Year & a half ago---I could shoot a 12 gage all day---no problem.
After my heart attack they put me on Plavix ( blood thinner)
If I don't have a shoulder pad for my little Mini 30----I got a bloody mess on my shoulder.
It ain't as much fun as it was............................:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
Don't get old--it's a bitch............:banghead:
 
Reacoil is a reaction

recoils is a reaction, to the explosion and ejection of the bullet in opposite direction even though there is a big pressure it is so instantaneous the effect is weak, compared to what happens on the other side of the barrel:scrutiny:

In general the smaller the weapon and the more powerful the round the snappier the feeling, hence the need for a strong grip an a good stance.
The effect on weapons like long rifles in the 9 pound weight range is more of a push rather than a snap, even with hi calibers at play I suppose because the mass of the weapon.

If I'm shooting with one hand for example a .45 or 40 s&w, if the stance and the grip are correct, the gun has a slower upward movement, since the arm is more in an extended fashion, making easier to acquire target again.It's slower but more accurate.

On a two hand grip, using the same ammunition, and even thought the arms are flexed ( isosceles or beaver ) the effect is different because now we have two hands holding the weapon and the rotation point is moved forward at the wrist level hence a snappy recoil, which in turn helps me stay on target for a faster but less accurate shooting. Double taps are easy for me in this position, ore than that and I'm all over the place

Another consideration, is necessary for the weapon to have this recoil release for proper recycling, in general if we set , lets say the butt or grip of the weapon on a static, there will be malfunctions.

Of course the exception is rifles on any support because there is a lift when they recoil:eek:
 
I was firing my 12ga Saiga very often with no recoil pad and liked it. After a couple of months, I went to raise my arm one day and got a terrible pain in my shoulder.

I have the advantage of working around Orthopedic surgeons and after a hallway exam with questioning, two of them arrived at the conclusion that firing my 12ga was the culprit. They recommended I stop for a while and I did, within 2 weeks the pain resolved.

I would say that there are definite physical effects of recoil that impact the body.

OTOH, I was teaching my sister to shoot pistol. We started with a .22lr Ruger 22/45, which she shot very accurately. I moved her up to the 9mm, a Springfield XD with 115gr factory load. She fired the first shot perfectly, right through the 'X' at 7 yards, but flinched after the shot and was shocked by the recoil. I explained that the recoil was slightly more forceful, but occurred after the shot and just to focus on sight picture & trigger pull. She developed a terrible flinch and could barely stay on paper with the rest of the magazine. She told me she was finished and didn't want to shoot any more.

This recoil was all in her mind and was impossible to 'explain' away.
 
A rubber pad from Academy should solve the shoulder problem, my mosin nagant is a kitty cat after I put one on it , before I had the same problem, My wife and I still remember the bruces, she is 110 lbs and was using a shoulder pad to no avail.
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About the flinch, Since is an automatic reflex, a fear to the "surprise of the recoil" the only way to get rid of it is o entertain the mind with something else, this has worked for me, or best said for my wife and two daughters:

First, make the shooting a planned step by step process and it is as simple as 1, 2, 3, I read about it a long time ago and I decided to use it to teach my family how to shoot in a friendly and positive way.

Load only three rounds in the mag first, before we start.
I instruct her to load and lock, ask her in loud voice: Are you ready? She says Yes Dad.
I say to her: When I say 1, I want you to take position (we prefer a beaver, but isosceles will do) hold the weapon a few inches from your body ( a good practice to prevent gun grabbing etc), point the gun down in a safe position, finger away from the trigger and inhale.

When I say 2, you raise both hands, present the weapon to the target, and exhale (this relaxes the body,thus making the flinching ever more difficult), sights on target, put the finger on the trigger , and when I say 3, you fire!

I can count with my daughter, in loud voice, (never mind everybody else in the range), and we go about the process several times over, i a deliberate manner, she follow my commands and there i no flinching just a deliberate response to my voice.

We repeat the process a few times only sometimes i only say fire! instead of the word three, to keep her off guard, sometimes I say fire several times until she empties the magazine thus she keeps attention to my voice and that keeps her from becoming too familiar with the process too soon and get the flinching reflex back:cuss:

She is surprised as to how accurate she's become and gained confidence.

I'm telling you when my daughter started, not only was she flinching but sinking all the rounds in the ground below the target and we are talking 6 yards away, and of course it's a good idea to say something positive ALWAYS, like "you are doing great honey practice makes perfect" or something like that:)

Another thing is I learned from my experience:
The better the sights on your weapon the less flinching, the sights are a guiding system, a map to the target, if they are dark, unimportant, weak, your mind is in doubt, when your mind is in doubt, target acquisition is weak.
For some people the solution can be a laser, or a red dot
In my case phosphorescent sight did the trick, you know sometimes, we people go to the range in a hurry and try to empty mags in a hurry just like that, without control almost, and then, it happens, the flinching reapers, because we are doing things without discipline again:banghead:

You can try any brand you like, etc. our personal favorite is glow-on.com here a pic, is just like eye candy entertains the mind, and remember the busier the mind with things like following the 1,2,3 steps and watching the sights, the less room there is for fear of a snappy recoil;)
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I find the big rounds tend to hurt my shoulder after a certain number. My limit is about 100-150, 7.62x54R, 8mm mauser, .308, 7.5 Swiss etc per range trip.

The bolt guns like the Mosin without a modern recoil pad tend to really beat up the shoulders. Luckly I'm long past the flinch.

OTOH I can put 300-400 rounds of 5.56 down range in the same period and not feel a thing.

This is why the K31 and FN49 are not going to the Appleseed, my shoulder would hate me by Sunday.
 
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[QUOTEA find the big rounds tend to hurt my shoulder after a certain number. My limit is about 100-150, 7.62x54R, 8mm mauser, .308, 7.5 Swiss etc per range trip.][/QUOTE]

i picked up a carbine in the 7.62x54r and would have never thought it would have the recoil it has, 8mm and 308 don't bother me much or the swiss, maybe it is the way the rifle is built, (sorta straight)


3in slugs will ruin your shooting,
catch myself flinching sometimes :eek:
 
When I was a kid/teen, I was terrified of recoil. A 20 gauge was about the biggest I'd shoot. Now my k31's and mosin see more shooting than my cetme, because I just don't mind the punch any more. Kind of like the stiff shoulder for a few hours, reminds me of what fun I had :D
 
I try to limit myself t no more than 50 rounds as it gets expensive unless you are shooting military grade surplus, I believe 7.62x54 x20 Winchester @ about US$ 24.00 and again I say the rubber pad really works
 
recoil sensitivity is the relative aspect in shooting.

A gun will kick everyone who shoots it with the same amount of force. How well they handle that recoil is an altogether different story...

so to answer your question.... NO, and yes.
 
I had a pet Remington Model 700ADL in 30.06. I could shoot it all day long with 150 grain bullets but put just ONE 220 Remington Core-Lokt in and it would loosen my dental work! I also had a Savage 110 with synthetic stock in .243 Winchester that HURT to shoot and a High Standard (HVA) in .270 that was brutal. I have had other 30.06,.270s,.280s and some magnum calibers that had little (comparatively) recoil. The WORST I've ever been kicked was a tie between a Stevens 12 ga single barrel loaded with 3''slugs and an Arisaka Type 99 in 7.7 shot while I was kneeling,leaning over braced on a wire fence. It literally kicked me to the ground.
 
It is very case sensitive, a lot of it is also knowing what your doing, especially with handguns.

I shot a full 6 round cylinder out of my brothers 454 Casull in a very speedy manner once. Their was a guy (about 6'4" 220) standing next to me when I did it, he asked to shoot it. My brother began to instruct him about shooting a powerful handgun and the guy was not interested so my brother handed him the gun and watched him fire one shot and bust a blood vessel in the web of his hand. Hopefully he learned a lesson that day. I also say a 80 pound, 14 (maybe 15) year old girl shoot a full 6 out of it and she liked it.:what: I will never forget the grin on her face. It was a big grin.:D :D :D

I have found that I can handle more recoil than most people I know. I really enjoy shooting heavy recoiling guns, long guns that is, I have never shot a handgun that I would consider extremely heavy recoiling. I don't shoot them for long periods because it will begin to be, well, painful then it's no longer fun and will create a flinch. I guess I just get high on the testosterone.:eek:.. If the shoe fits.
 
I do a pilgramage to an uncle place ocasinally and he has a 700 nitro.
pull the triger on that beast and you learn the true meaning of recoil.:evil:
I do truly love it but-------------DAMN!!! :what:
All my puny guns, 06, 300 ect seem like wimps for a good 6-7 months.

Since I am the only relation that will shoot (baby cakes) I will inherate (her). Dont know what I will do with it but I think you could hunt tanks with it and not feel underguned.

My aunt says I get the "Damn cow too" (cape buf shot with it) and that is one humongus head. Guess I will hang the rfle under it and get it down occasionally for an idot nefew or future grandson that has a penchant for getting knocked on his butt and thus continue the legacy of Baby Cakes.
 
Purely Relative! I have seen 5.2 foot girl shoot a model 29 in 44 with full house loads for over 30 minutes and I have seen 6.4 men almost drop one after a single round.
 
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