Is Sig p365 really actually truly safe to carry appendix?
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JR24
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If anything the 365s reputation is NOT going off (broken striker, dead triggers). Should be extra good to go!
*note for sensitive 365 defenders I am joking. My 365 worked fine.
Zaydok Allen
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LOL!
Good to know. I was going to put stock in Spirit possession as the reason people didn't trust a holstered gun not to blow an important body part off with no provocation.
JTQ
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Not a SIG P365, but a holstered gun (striker fired, I believe) firing.
https://thenewsrep.com/104246/the-danger-inherent-to-appendix-carry/
Coal Dragger
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Congratulations, you are an extreme minority in the firearms enthusiast community. As a shooter who also likes going to class and training I’m glad you do too.
Sorry we cannot be friends today, because I stand by my assessment that most people carrying pistols for their own self defense do not train. I stand by my assertion that most of them are not willing to spend much money on good quality carry gear.
If the pistol carrying public at large actually did train, and buy good quality carry gear it would be nearly impossible to get a slot in a well known reputable instructor’s class, or to easily acquire good holster and belts. It would be like .22LR ammo during the last panic/high demand period. Obviously that is not the case, and hasn’t been the case. Right now I could sign up for several classes later this year with a host of awesome instructors (hope to be able to get at least one in this fall), they’re not booked solid for years. Same for good holsters and gun belts, plenty of good stuff in stock and ready to ship, or custom made within a week or two if we’re talking kydex.
Go to any chain store that sells guns, if they sell holsters they’re usually garbage like a SERPA or Fobus. That’s because that’s what people are willing to buy, the vast majority of folks simply will not drop more than $30 on a holster of any description much less a $100+ custom holster. The concept of a good belt might as well not exist to them. They feel good because they have a gun, but don’t expect them to gain proficiency or seek instruction.
We can agree to disagree about AIWB carry, I’m going to try it but only with a really good holster that allows for administrative handling that is as safe as possible. I’m also inclined to not do it with a striker fired pistol. When I’m wearing a pistol on my strong side hip like I do now, it gets uncomfortable in the vehicle and I’m going to try something else. The alternative is carry a smaller pistol that is harder to shoot well. I’m not willing to do that, I’ve learned first hand that shooting under the stress of a fight degrades effective skill, and I want the easiest pistol to perform with I can reasonably carry that holds as much ammunition or reasonable effectiveness as possible.
If sounds like you felt insulted by my last post, and I’m unable to control your emotions about this one. Please feel free to report me for hurting your feelings. The mods will be more than happy to ban me again I’m sure.
Coal Dragger
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A well tuned DA/SA gun makes a compelling case for a carry gun in any carry position. Being able to plant your thumb on the back of the hammer and physically prevent movement while holstering is a safety advantage that shouldn’t be under estimated.
JTQ
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It could be. The thing to consider is if the "spirit" decides now is the time to set off your holstered firearm, where do you want it holstered?Still could be Spirit possession. Just saying.
Every gun, holster, and combination of the two have their plusses and minuses. Everybody has to make their own decision as to what feature they value the most. Regardless of what somebody chooses, and everybody has a right to choose what they want, it's best to be as informed as possible.
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There are no hurt feelings and please do not flatter yourself and assume I feel insulted by your diatribe. I have zero feelings towards you because I do not take this forum or other forums personally. People like you hide behind a keyboard and flex because it makes you feel powerful. I choose to ignore people like you 99% of the time which helps to leave you powerless. In the end you are entitled to you opinions but you have to understand that you come across as someone is is judging every book by its cover.
sigarms228
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I personally won't CCW AIWB. Maybe it's just me but if I was using AIWB and sitting down/driving, the muzzle definitely would be pointing at body places that would be seriously damaged with massive blood loss by a ND or AD. If I had to CCW a striker fired pistol AIWB it would have a manual safety. I believe that SIG just started selling the P365 with a safety for those that would want such.
Coal Dragger
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WVsig,
You seem awfully upset about my observations of my fellow shooters, and gun owners.
I’ve been pretty generous too. On any given day that I’m at my local range and there are other shooters, particularly on the pistol range, I can observe all sorts of poor skill on display, and all sorts of questionable gear.
I started competing in about 2001 in pistol league matches at Bass Pro Shops indoor range in Springfield, MO. Did well in them at first, and continued to improve. Shot bullseye for what is now Missouri State University in 2003 and we made nationals. I also have some .mil experience and time in Iraq but that is very rifle oriented. I’ve taken pistol marksmanship pretty seriously for awhile now, and have seen a lot of other shooters on the range outside of match environments or classes.
I admit that my view of the average pistol shooter/owner is not particularly positive based on my observations of their competency. I have areas that need work on my pistol skills set, don’t we all, but going through the log in sheet at the range tells me that myself and about 3 other dudes are the only “regulars” hitting the pistol range to work on stuff out of a whole bunch of other infrequent users. That has been the trend at any range I’ve ever shot at that had a sign in log book.
Maybe your anecdotal experience is different than mine. Hooray for you.
You seem awfully upset about my observations of my fellow shooters, and gun owners.
I’ve been pretty generous too. On any given day that I’m at my local range and there are other shooters, particularly on the pistol range, I can observe all sorts of poor skill on display, and all sorts of questionable gear.
I started competing in about 2001 in pistol league matches at Bass Pro Shops indoor range in Springfield, MO. Did well in them at first, and continued to improve. Shot bullseye for what is now Missouri State University in 2003 and we made nationals. I also have some .mil experience and time in Iraq but that is very rifle oriented. I’ve taken pistol marksmanship pretty seriously for awhile now, and have seen a lot of other shooters on the range outside of match environments or classes.
I admit that my view of the average pistol shooter/owner is not particularly positive based on my observations of their competency. I have areas that need work on my pistol skills set, don’t we all, but going through the log in sheet at the range tells me that myself and about 3 other dudes are the only “regulars” hitting the pistol range to work on stuff out of a whole bunch of other infrequent users. That has been the trend at any range I’ve ever shot at that had a sign in log book.
Maybe your anecdotal experience is different than mine. Hooray for you.
JR24
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Though I dont really worry about it in terms of safety, as in I have carried a Glock for years with no issue:
A good SAO gun is about as safe as it gets in terms of holstering. With both my 1911s, SIG SAO and BHP I simply hook my thumb under the engaged safety, with upward pressure, while holstering. No chance of the safety disengaging, no chance of discharge.
Also no me throwing my first long DA shot 3" low like I always do with DA/SA
Coal Dragger
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SAO gun’s can be plenty safe as well. A well designed holster in kydex can make holstering with the safety off impossible, and of course your thump can control the hammer or safety when holstering.
Jeb Stuart
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When it comes to safety, I would not take any advice from the internet. Statements like I have done something for years and never a problem. Akin to I have ran red lights for years and never a accident. Or someone telling you that he can't shoot a Da/Sa. Does not mean you can't. I would say, when in doubt DON'T. Get familiar with all firearm triggers, Da/sa, DA only, light trigger striker fired guns and safety's. Yes, if you want to train with a safety and you believe a safety is important than don't let some internet guy talk you out of it. It is your leg, your life not theirs. Spend some time to lean the facts by going to a range and make your own decision. Just remember you cannot take a bullet back.
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So, I summarize comments to say no one truly knows, but it’s as safe as anything else out there and there are strong opinions on NOT carrying AIWB.
Anyone heard of the FN issue with firing when struck on the slide?
I’d be curious to know what level of testing and force guns are subjected to as part of the standard safety testing- if there is such a regimen even.
Anyone heard of the FN issue with firing when struck on the slide?
I’d be curious to know what level of testing and force guns are subjected to as part of the standard safety testing- if there is such a regimen even.
Trunk Monkey
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99% of his post is complete garbage as it relates to you, for the majority of gun owners and members of THR he is SPOT ON.
Most of the ADs I have seen (on video, not personally) are explained by a foreign object contacting the trigger. This is usually either a garment or part of the holster itself. This is a known problem with hybrid leather 'tuck' style holsters when the leather gets old and soft. One mfg. that I use (Alien Gear) has layered in a spring steel layer in their newer holsters to prevent this.
Ive seen countless discussions on boards, including this one, about this incident.
Famous quote in there. "__it Happens". esp. with mechanical devices.
I think the video was real and that is one of the risks one must weigh..
You're young yet, nice looking holster.
Old Dog
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It was real. Not the only time it's happened; there was just a video record of this one.
Aside from not being comfortable about carrying a striker-fired pistol with a short trigger pull and round chambered AIWB, I've personally witnessed a popular striker-fired duty pistol with a short trigger pull and a round chambered discharge when being holstered in a rigid Kydex duty holster … the little plastic doohickey on the drawstring on the inside at the waist of the officer's jacket was inside the holster. Insert pistol, plastic thingey caught inside trigger guard, trigger pulled, pistol discharges round down side of officer's leg.
As tarosean says, "stuff happens." Is any firearm "truly safe to carry" in any mode? We just do what we can to mitigate any possible risks. Part of this is paying attention, part of it's the gear we choose … and there's a reason guns are still produced with manual safeties. And some men may have more to risk than others
Here's the thing to realize: We talk a lot about how important keeping one's finger off the trigger is. And that's good. That really is important, and following that rule would have avoided about 99% of the AD/ND incidents that occur.
But. Guns are inanimate objects (as we constantly point out to the gun-control crowd). They don't generally have sensors or decision-making circuitry integrated. A trigger doesn't know what is pressing on it. The trigger only "knows" whether force is being applied - and it only "cares" about whether that force is oriented roughly-rearward, and of enough strength and travel/time to release the sear.
Things can and do get into holsters. Heck, parts of holsters can and do get into trigger guards. If you think the only thing you have to do to keep a gun from firing is "keep your bugger hook off the bang switch," you are wrong. At a minimum, you have to keep everything off the bang switch. Keys, draw strings, the edge of a holster or belt buckle - everything. This is NBD most of the time, but a little bit of confusion, distraction, close/cramped conditions, darkness, etc... can make it easy to foul up.
Recognizing this, one could adopt one of several strategies:
But. Guns are inanimate objects (as we constantly point out to the gun-control crowd). They don't generally have sensors or decision-making circuitry integrated. A trigger doesn't know what is pressing on it. The trigger only "knows" whether force is being applied - and it only "cares" about whether that force is oriented roughly-rearward, and of enough strength and travel/time to release the sear.
Things can and do get into holsters. Heck, parts of holsters can and do get into trigger guards. If you think the only thing you have to do to keep a gun from firing is "keep your bugger hook off the bang switch," you are wrong. At a minimum, you have to keep everything off the bang switch. Keys, draw strings, the edge of a holster or belt buckle - everything. This is NBD most of the time, but a little bit of confusion, distraction, close/cramped conditions, darkness, etc... can make it easy to foul up.
Recognizing this, one could adopt one of several strategies:
- Don't rely solely on keeping-everything-off-bang-switch to prevent AD/ND's; and/or
- Identify the times when non-finger intrusions are most likely, and don't let the muzzle cover anything important during those times; and/or
- Get a trigger that is so long and heavy that it diminishes the chances that something might be applying force (or resisting force you are applying) without you knowing; or
- Accept the risk and count on your future self being perfectly vigilant
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