No need to reread Idaho's post. These, "the best gun eva" threads are always silly and bring up a lot of useless arguing over opinions. Choose the gun for YOUR task. And because one gun isn't as suited to one task has no bearing on that gun's virtues. That's the bottom line. But common sense can never prevail and someone's pet gun's qualities are always exaggerated and the flaws never acknowledged.
Is the Semi-Auto EBR overated?
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MachIVshooter
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Overrated for what? Gotta be more specific. Within design parameters and intended uses, overrated is fairly easy to gauge **cough**HK**cough**. But you have to have an apples to apples comparison.
Seems as though you consider EBR and AR-15 to be synonymous. I submit to you that the "Evil Black Rifle" consists of basically any autoloader that is patterned after or derived from modern battle rifles or assault rifles. AR-15, AR-10, FAL, G3, SCAR, etc.
When you widen the scope, there are different attributes and detractors. The things you mention apply to the AR-15, but not necessarily others in the EBR genre.
I will agree with others, though, that generally speaking, the EBR class does not make especially good hunting rifles, save for varmints with an accurate AR-15. Their primary advantages are of no use for big game hunting, so you end up with a rifle that is heavier and likely less powerful and less accurate than a good bolt gun. Could I hunt elk with my AR-10, FAL or G3? Sure. But I'd absolutely rather carry my 700 BDL 8mm Mag that is 2/3 the weight and has near twice the power.
Seems as though you consider EBR and AR-15 to be synonymous. I submit to you that the "Evil Black Rifle" consists of basically any autoloader that is patterned after or derived from modern battle rifles or assault rifles. AR-15, AR-10, FAL, G3, SCAR, etc.
When you widen the scope, there are different attributes and detractors. The things you mention apply to the AR-15, but not necessarily others in the EBR genre.
I will agree with others, though, that generally speaking, the EBR class does not make especially good hunting rifles, save for varmints with an accurate AR-15. Their primary advantages are of no use for big game hunting, so you end up with a rifle that is heavier and likely less powerful and less accurate than a good bolt gun. Could I hunt elk with my AR-10, FAL or G3? Sure. But I'd absolutely rather carry my 700 BDL 8mm Mag that is 2/3 the weight and has near twice the power.
NCsmitty
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I grew up on bolt rifles and Remington pump shotguns, and AR rifles just do not feel right to me. Although I have thought that the 458 Socom might be fun.
NCsmitty
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Like anything else, doesn't it depend on what you're hunting?
An AR can be a pretty light handy rifle. Chamber it in 6.8 and I'd call it as good as a 30-30 for medium range deer hunting for your average PA sized whitetail. Even if .223, with the right ammo and careful placement, it'll do.
For hunting Elk out west... nope. It's not an ideal rifle. There are much better choices.
For a rifle that you can start out with shooting 5.56 in a carbine upper, then add a .22 upper, then add a full length rifle upper later... yep, it's great for that. And it's great for a rifle that you can really get involved in building. You can buy a lower for $59, assemble it yourself in your living room with a parts kit later, then add an upper or build your own.
At the end of the day, there is a reason that the AR is as popular as it is.
An AR can be a pretty light handy rifle. Chamber it in 6.8 and I'd call it as good as a 30-30 for medium range deer hunting for your average PA sized whitetail. Even if .223, with the right ammo and careful placement, it'll do.
For hunting Elk out west... nope. It's not an ideal rifle. There are much better choices.
For a rifle that you can start out with shooting 5.56 in a carbine upper, then add a .22 upper, then add a full length rifle upper later... yep, it's great for that. And it's great for a rifle that you can really get involved in building. You can buy a lower for $59, assemble it yourself in your living room with a parts kit later, then add an upper or build your own.
At the end of the day, there is a reason that the AR is as popular as it is.
If you are referring to AR's as "EBR's" here, then I would say that they are over rated, and have been this way for quite awhile now, as they are, and have been over priced for well over a decade. (AR15's)
Look at how many companies make complete rifles, and/or components for them now. Prices for this should be lower as the market is flooded with them, but that's not the case.
(Must be capitalism at it's finest......
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With that being said, there are other semiautomatic rifles that are better by design, materials used to build them, and retain their resale value to a higher degree.
I'm not saying that there aren't decent made AR's out there, but for my money, they aren't worth what they are asking for them.
And NO.... I'm not talking about AK types either.
Look at how many companies make complete rifles, and/or components for them now. Prices for this should be lower as the market is flooded with them, but that's not the case.
(Must be capitalism at it's finest......
)With that being said, there are other semiautomatic rifles that are better by design, materials used to build them, and retain their resale value to a higher degree.
I'm not saying that there aren't decent made AR's out there, but for my money, they aren't worth what they are asking for them.
And NO.... I'm not talking about AK types either.
bushmaster1313
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I should have started this out better.
When I compare my Bushmaster to the 7615 I feel much more confident with the 7615.
However, I have not had any formal rifle training. It would seem that someone who was trained and comfortable with the Bushmaster could do things with it that could not be done with the 7615.
When I compare my Bushmaster to the 7615 I feel much more confident with the 7615.
However, I have not had any formal rifle training. It would seem that someone who was trained and comfortable with the Bushmaster could do things with it that could not be done with the 7615.
mljdeckard
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I don't have a 7615, but I do have a 760 in .257 Roberts. It still has my dad's elevated peep-through rings on it, it was his brush gun. I COULD use it defensively if I had to, but it wouldn't be the first thing I grab.
I will always think AR-15 cartridges are a bit light for North American game. But my AR-10 isn't.
I will always think AR-15 cartridges are a bit light for North American game. But my AR-10 isn't.
Another example:
JnG sales had a load of SAI M1A Bush rifles for sale at $1299.
Their last load sported a price tag of $1400, and had an Ultimak M8 HG rail on it, as well as an SEI Vortex direct connect flash hider along with their gas lock front sight.
They were "police trade in's" or some such thing.
Not terribly all that high priced, and would still give someone a great rifle with the lifetime guarantee, and excellent customer service along with it.
It still doesn't come close to value vs $$ when compared to an M305 however. (So much for capitalism huh?)
Forged receiver of correct specifications, chrome lined bbl's, and stainless steel gas cylinders to name a few.
JnG sales had a load of SAI M1A Bush rifles for sale at $1299.
Their last load sported a price tag of $1400, and had an Ultimak M8 HG rail on it, as well as an SEI Vortex direct connect flash hider along with their gas lock front sight.
They were "police trade in's" or some such thing.
Not terribly all that high priced, and would still give someone a great rifle with the lifetime guarantee, and excellent customer service along with it.
It still doesn't come close to value vs $$ when compared to an M305 however. (So much for capitalism huh?)
Forged receiver of correct specifications, chrome lined bbl's, and stainless steel gas cylinders to name a few.
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s the Semi-Auto EBR overated?
It really come down to whether I am buying or selling one.
If I am buying I down play the hype. Next time I will use the term overrated in my initial contact.
If I am selling then it is very underrated.
One thing I have noticed is an AR can shoot very well at distance. Lets take a NM AR15 with handloads and of course good bullets and a capable rifleman. They can achieve high scores. Now somehow that translates to all AR are tack drivers at distance including carbines shooting bottom end ammo no matter who is shooting.
It really come down to whether I am buying or selling one.
If I am buying I down play the hype. Next time I will use the term overrated in my initial contact.
If I am selling then it is very underrated.
One thing I have noticed is an AR can shoot very well at distance. Lets take a NM AR15 with handloads and of course good bullets and a capable rifleman. They can achieve high scores. Now somehow that translates to all AR are tack drivers at distance including carbines shooting bottom end ammo no matter who is shooting.
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I'm quoting this because there seems to be some confusion.
Not every poster in this thread realizes that the term EBR is often/generally used to basically mean "modern sporting rifle", just in a sarcastic/ironic way of going about it.
Unless otherwise noted, EBR basically means a pistol gripped semi automatic removable magazine rifle, especially if it uses synthetic furniture, such as a typical AR/Me pattern rifle. It does not, generally, mean "enhanced battle rifle"
Enough of the urination contest.
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