fulltanghalo
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danez71 said:True for cars (private property) but you still have to register them before use
Driving = privilege
RKBA = fundamental right
danez71 said:True for cars (private property) but you still have to register them before use
Elroy you've just managed to sum up decades of anti-gunners "work" in eight sentences. You win!"Anti" hyperbole vs. Actual Intent:
"Gun-Show Loophole" = Your ability to buy a gun from someone wanting to sell it, or to sell a gun to someone wanting to buy it.
"Cop-Killer bullets" = Any ammunition suitable for defensive purposes.
"Assault Weapon" = Any weapon suitable for defensive purposes.
"Reasonable gun laws" = Banning all private ownership of firearms of any type.
"Arsenal" = The part of any gunowner's home where any weapon is stored.
"Saturday night special" = Any handgun of any type.
"Machine Gun" = Any semi-automatic weapon of any type.
Non - "Legitimate Sporting Purpose" = The discharge of any firearm for any reason.
And even that is largely a guess on their part; extrapolated from the tiny number of arrests ever made at a "show."BATFE has testified before Congress that it's somewhere around two percent of all crime guns.
Nope, you're right. DH has a 1972 Corvette restoration project in the garage. He holds the title, but it's not registered, and won't be until it's back on the road again. Since he's doing it as time/$$$ permits, that may be a while...Danez71 ...It is my belief that you need only to register a motor vehicle if you intend to operate is on a PUBLIC roadway.
I can buy any vehicle I want to and drive it around until it turns to rust as long as it is only operated on PRIVATE property.
Of course, if you need to have it serviced off your property ... you can't drive it to the dealership ... you may have to haul it on a flatbed or possibly tow it.
Now I might be incorrect ... but I don't think I am.
You guys are missing the point entirely... It has NOTHING to do with gun shows! All of this legislation has been written to ban PRIVATE SALES of firearms. It doesn't matter whether that sale is at a gun show or between you and your brother in law.
Still, if the laws were actually limited to preventing face to face annoymous purchases at gunshows I would not be offended.
I agree with your post in general.Before you can outlaw private sales at gun shows but not elsewhere, you need to figure out a legally workable definition of 'Gun Show'.
Originally posted by fulltanghalo
Originally Posted by danez71
True for cars (private property) but you still have to register them before use
Driving = privilege
RKBA = fundamental right
Danez71 ...It is my belief that you need only to register a motor vehicle if you intend to operate is on a PUBLIC roadway.
I can buy any vehicle I want to and drive it around until it turns to rust as long as it is only operated on PRIVATE property.
Of course, if you need to have it serviced off your property ... you can't drive it to the dealership ... you may have to haul it on a flatbed or possibly tow it.
Now I might be incorrect ... but I don't think I am.
Nope, you're right. DH has a 1972 Corvette restoration project in the garage. He holds the title, but it's not registered, and won't be until it's back on the road again. Since he's doing it as time/$$$ permits, that may be a while...
Still, if the laws were actually limited to preventing face to face annoymous purchases at gunshows I would not be offended. Just my 2 cents.
That's OK, I'll be offended enough for the two of us. Who is trivializing RKBA with that statement? This is a fundamental right, something that the high court has finally acknowledged as existing. We cannot simply regulate it as any other item, arms have been set apart. Arms were recognized by our founders as fundamental to our liberty and worthy of protection, a fact finally codified by Heller.Still, if the laws were actually limited to preventing face to face annoymous purchases at gunshows I would not be offended. Just my 2 cents.
I'm sorry you've become accustomed to asking permission to do things, but the rest of us have had enough of the nonsense and aren't too keen on adding another place to ask permission from our benevolent overlords.Still, if the laws were actually limited to preventing face to face annoymous purchases at gunshows I would not be offended. Just my 2 cents.
What the heck are you talking about?Right. And thats why IMO, bigfatdaves reasoning doesnt work. Because he just took it from a fundemental right 2A to just another inanimate object no different than any other personal property. And I just showed how personal property being sold is already regulated.
What the heck are you talking about?
The second amendment:
1- Doesn't GRANT a right, it happens to recognize the right (of the people to arm themselves) in writing and places a very strict control on the .gov in regard to that right, to the degree of "shall not be infringed", it doesn't even subject that right to the concept of "reasonable" as codified in other BoR items.
2- Is not about "guns" ... read again, it is about "arms". I can use a gun, knife, baseball bat, or rock as an "arm", if needed.
But if you want to regulate guns like cars, that's super. Some "lady" in my current hometown ran a guy over after a verbal argument, and then ran him over some more. He died, she's getting out of jail after less than 5 years. Hooray vehicle control!
You guys are missing the point entirely... It has NOTHING to do with gun shows! All of this legislation has been written to ban PRIVATE SALES of firearms. It doesn't matter whether that sale is at a gun show or between you and your brother in law.
You aren't familiar with the Supreme Court are you? You should reald Heller and McDonald.Gun-rights people seem to have an attitude that every proposal from the other side has to be opposed rigidly, and that there can never be any negotiation with people that are so evil, ignorant, etc., etc. It's hard to see how we make progress on our agenda this way.
The First Amendment didn't have to be negotiated. Why should the Second?
Sure, that's what the antigunners would like. There's not a chance in the world that they would get it.
The ATF already does this, and is rather harsh with folks who are found to be in violation.They could do the same with private sellers at the gun shows. Sell guns at X# of shows or more and your considered a gun dealer and have to be a FFL.
There ISN'T any "middle" in gun control.Legislation is a process of negotiation. The "maximum demands" of each side are just the opening gambit. The idea is that each side gets something that it wants, when they meet somewhere in the middle. Or, there's no agreement at all, and nothing happens.
They could do the same with private sellers at the gun shows. Sell guns at X# of shows or more and your considered a gun dealer and have to be a FFL.
The ATF already does this, and is rather harsh with folks who are
found to be in violation.