Is this what kids are being told these days?

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I was reading my health book today and just by chance, I saw a section about firearms. It stated that if a person owns a gun they their chances of a homicide increase by 4 times or some BS like that. Also, it stated that while people buy a gun for protection, their chances of being killed by an unarmed intruder increase by twice as much when they have a gun.:what: Talk about a truck load of BS. It just ceases to amaze me that kids are told that guns encourage crime instead of crime, and beleive that. Well, there's my rant for today. I would like to hear your opinions on this if possible.
Have a good day!
 
The liberals write the books and they decide what is printed in them. We need to educate the kids too to the truth. The whole thing is a crock and until we get together to do something about it, we have to live with it.
 
I hate BS like that. How <removed> is a gun going to increase your chances of dying?! As I always say, STUPID LIBERALS
 
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Books say all kinds of things. So do teachers.

Bottom line is, you've gotta be there for your kid, and you've got to help them sort the truth from the lies. Because if you don't, someone else will, and YOU have your kid's best interest at heart, while somebody else may or may not.
 
I like to think most students would be asking questions at this point. Unless of course our conservative values brainwashed them into believing anything they hear coming from authority.
See what I did there?

This isn't about liberals, this is about scared third grade teachers writing education books instead of subject matter experts. Ever wonder why the Social Sciences are overrun with social workers? I don't either. I'm a social scientist. Not a social worker.

What does this have to do with guns and in this case how we can fight this ridiculous nonsense? Lemme find the link. And let me tell you: It didn't involve a speech on "americanism" a rant about "this generation" or "liberal and conservative values."
the link involves some thoughtful interaction and some damned fine PR.

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Whew! Took me a while, but here's the link!

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=608527
 
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Nushif,
The problem is is that the people writing these books are liberals and their thoughts on the 2A are biased toward the left, as in my first post. Their thoughts on subjects are biased and the young adults reading these books don't know any better and are brainwashed by this stuff. Then, they tell their kids this, and so on and so on...
 
I'm glad you chimed in Nushif. As a so called "stupid liberal" I was about to point out that conservatives are as likely to massage statistics as any other group one cares to label.
 
If interested, the American Journal of Epidemiology has a 2004 study which correlates gun presence in the home with the chances of a firearms or suicide-induced death.

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.full

And yes, I'm still reading it. :)

Abstract:
Data from a US mortality follow-back survey were analyzed to determine whether having a firearm in the home increases the risk of a violent death in the home and whether risk varies by storage practice, type of gun, or number of guns in the home.

Those persons with guns in the home were at greater risk than those without guns in the home of dying from a homicide in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 1.9, 95% confidence interval: 1.1, 3.4).

They were also at greater risk of dying from a firearm homicide, but risk varied by age and whether the person was living with others at the time of death.

The risk of dying from a suicide in the home was greater for males in homes with guns than for males without guns in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 10.4, 95% confidence interval: 5.8, 18.9).

Persons with guns in the home were also more likely to have died from suicide committed with a firearm than from one committed by using a different method (adjusted odds ratio = 31.1, 95% confidence interval: 19.5, 49.6).

Results show that regardless of storage practice, type of gun, or number of firearms in the home, having a gun in the home was associated with an increased risk of firearm homicide and firearm suicide in the home.
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Bashing liberals is a sure way to get some cyber "high fives", but does not really address the issue. Ignorance runs across the political spectrum.

Statistics can easily be misunderstood, manipulated and misread. It happens. If you feel the information you've read is incorrect... CHALLENGE IT. Do the research and bring to whom it may concern (teacher, editor, school board). What I suspect has happened is that gun crime statistics are skewed because of the criminal on criminal violence.

It's just too easy to bash a group of political boogiemen.
 
This is just another example of why you need to be involved in your childs life.

Dont just stick them in the corner to do their homework.... read what they're reading. Go to their school open house night. Go to their soccer/baseball games or, yes, their dance recitals too. Know their 'friends'.

Be involved.
 
Persons with guns in the home were also more likely to have died from suicide committed with a firearm than from one committed by using a different method (adjusted odds ratio = 31.1, 95% confidence interval: 19.5, 49.6).
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These always crack me up.

It's like saying
"Having a lot of money increases the likelyhood of spending a lot of money."
"Owning a car increases the likelyhood of having a car accident."

the list goes on and on, the fact that so many people are swayed by these "no-Duh!" factoids is to me at least much more alarming than any kind of "liberal bias" within academia. No amount of unbiased textbooks or even handed education will ever help when a populace questions nothing, believes anything they hear more than five times from a source they like, regardless of credibility and ultimately has stopped any kind of critical thinking outside of a standardized test, where you're prompted to do so.
 
As I always say, STUPID LIBERALS
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"its not that our liberal friends are stupid, it is that they know so much that is not true." Ronald Regan
i think that is how it goes anyway. but yes, anyone who believes that we are not censored in this land HAS to be an idiot liberal! LIBERALS are NOT stupid. they have gone on to positions of power in way to many places, that can alter the way the masses think in this country. they ARE IDIOTIC in their beliefs however. i would seriously like for them to explain how it is, that the higher the number of concealed weapons licenses that are issued, the lower the crime rates are! tell me Mr. Liberal, just how does that work?
 
I have a lot of liberal ideas, but I hate labels... I've been called a liberal and a hick by both crowds. I can't help but feel like there's not a lot of people out there going, "I'm a liberal, I must believe nonsense!"

I don't really think statistics like this show anything in any case. It's like the thing with the UK and knives how they did some study correlating people who were stabbed and if they had knives and what not, and so the conclusion they pull out of their rears is, "Oh, if you carry a knife, you're more likely to be a victim of knife violence."

The only problems is that people forget that this "likelihood" is based on statistics and not anything practical. Like people have said, statistics start to show anything you want them to if you're careful about what data you select, how you calculate and represent it, and what your final conclusion on it is.

But, yeah, long story short... Yes, kids are being told guns are bad.
 
These two terms liberal and conservative are vague and as I see them should not be used in the manner of this thread. There are many people (a lot of younger folks) who lean towards the left in regards to their political views and would therefore have to call themselves liberals instead of conservatives. These same people may be very pro-2A. Be careful who you label. It is in your best interest for people (all people) to enjoy your words - they will be more likely to want to agree with you which in turn will most likely earn you a victory. I would think simply anti-gun would be a better term - less likely to P people off. Further, I would think the best way to approach it would be to just think of them as people who haven't had the experiences in firearms reality that you probably know and understand.

I like to think of anti-gun people as people. I'll try not to label them and make them come across as stupid, etc. Doing so just gives them good reason to not like a pro-gun person. A lot is also that they have never been around firearms/have no education on them and therefore resist them. It's human nature in a lot of us to believe our way of doing things is better than the alternative and to resist that alternative with a closed mind. They don't know. They are just people who don't know - not liberals.
 
Books say all kinds of things. So do teachers.

Bottom line is, you've gotta be there for your kid, and you've got to help them sort the truth from the lies. Because if you don't, someone else will, and YOU have your kid's best interest at heart, while somebody else may or may not.
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That is one of the biggest reasons we home-school. There are a whole host of things being taught in school these days that have no business being there. Plus no one is controling what's going on on the bus either.

I know a guy that when his daughter came home from school and told him all about smoking and how it's killing people, he called up the teacher and said "why don't you just teach my kid to read, and I'll tell her about smoking."
 
I'm just amazed that a topic such as homicide is even in a health textbook! I took health class under ten years ago and nothing in it had anything to do with what other people could do to you. The hypotheticals are endless. Health class should be about things like nutrition, exercise, drugs, smoking, sex, psychology, and other issues having to do with the INDIVIDUAL body and mind.

Adding a section that says owning guns is dangerous is like adding a section saying something along the lines of becoming a fisherman is more dangerous than being a secretary because there is increased chance of mechanical injury, drowning in a storm, etc. Statistically, it may even be true, but does not fit into the scope of a grade school (or college for that matter) health class.
 
Liars figure,and figures lie.It's been going on for years.Years ago a little town near me with 2000 people had 1 murder.Next year,the FBI stats showed that town to be the most dangerous place in the country.I guess it's all in how you look at it.
How these people get all these figures just amazes me.
 
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