Is "Totalitarian..." diatribe getting people killed?

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Obama's only votes on laws, beyond his usual "Present" votes, have been on anti-gun-owner, gun control laws. That was in both the Illinois senate and the US senate. Thus the rise in acquisition of both firearms and ammunition.

We have seen no particular rise in the rate of firearms crimes with the increase in the numbers of firearms in the U.S. After all, the average sales from 1993 on into 2005 ran some five million per year, per the ATF--and I doubt that all of these were repeat purchases by those who already owned firearms. Regardless, that was 60 to 70 million additional firearms even before the 2008 "feeding frenzy" of some 9 million NICS hits.

Paralleling Prof. Kleck's survey of a range of 800K to 2.4 million beneficial uses of firearms in self defense, the USDOJ has estimated 1.5 million.

No, the feds aren't physically "coming for our guns". But, they do propose high taxation, registration and other useless hassles for the citizen. That justifies the commentary by Beck et al as to the civil rights dangers aimed at our community.

None of the pro-gun people who exercise their First Amendment rights on radio or TV have ever called for anybody to go out and shoot anybody else. Those who do go out and shoot are solely responsible for their actions--as are we all, and as are those who oppose us.

Flip Wilson's "The Devil made me do it" played well on TV comedy, but not in real life. There's no such thing as "society's fault", either.
 
Ive gone from quiet accepting, even meekly swallowing the bull sprouting from the news each night on the TV to one who eyes the stuff and sniffs it all.

This year I passed over even more towards the right side gun nut bible thumping bitter... ah you know what Im getting at.

Im actually HAPPY this year than I have ever been all my Adult life.

That too shall pass.
 
Rawly political (delete as desired, but I'm just piggybacking on an administrator's comment):

I wished he'd signed a couple of recent bills and EOs as "present."

Yok-yok-yok-yok!

Ignore this post. In fact, I'm not even signing it.
 
Nobody thinks guns are inherently evil.
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If that were true, the logic behind lawful gun ownership would be undeniable by anyone.


1. Guns are force multipliers.
2. Law abiding citizens outnumber career criminals by at least 10 to 1.
3. Thus if everyone had a gun (and knew how to use it), the law abiding would be far better off than the career criminals.


So in the end, either a lot of people think guns are inherently evil, or that people are inherently evil and only reveal their true nature when equipped with a firearm.
 
Let's compare:

Marx - "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature"
Obama - "It’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion..."

and your point is?? Marxist policies never got implemented in any "communist" country. Mmmmm, wow, something to consider huh? Maybe you should read up on your world history a little bit more.....and when you mix "Lenin" with "Mark", you are mixing two different systems. Again, read up on it, maybe take a class. That should help you see the light.

BTW - Your brilliant reasoning doesn't account for the German shooting spree that took place earlier this month...or are they reading American "right wing media" propoganda too? Do you have the notes from the investigation as to the motives behind this person's actions? If you don't, then you probably have no logical reasoning to make your case.
 
To the Slate author:

When you're talking about Poplawski, Cho, Klebold, McVeigh, Kaczynski and other diviants in America who commit violent atrocities (with or without a gun) you are talking about a very small fraction of the population.
99.9999% of America is not the problem. Nor are 99.9999% of Gun Owners. This is a problem of a very small number of psychologically deviant individuals causing mass violence in America.

No matter how you want to twist it, please don't lump me together with Poplawski, Klebold, Cho, or any other person who commits atrocities.

With or without a gun in my hands, I am a safe and responsible citizen. So are 99.9999 percent of all the other gun owners in America. Totalitarian diatribe does not cause healthy, safe and responsible people to become psychopathic deviants.
 
And most of the truly mentally defective are usually under a lock. They will be taken care of humanely but never will see freedom as we know it.

I was once in a early school and it was designed to train what was in those days trainables. I became very rebellious because none of the teachers or classmates fit in.

I still have the grading materials from that particular place as a reminder how easy it would have been for a parent to say.. this kid is not trainable.
 
And most of the truly mentally defective are usually under a lock. They will be taken care of humanely but never will see freedom as we know it.
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HG: That statement simply is not accurate. In fact - the opposite is true.

Many years ago, we in this country opened the doors of the asylums and "freed" the mentally ill to fend for themselves on the streets with little or no effective treatment.

There are more mentally ill folks in and out of prisons than are receiving supervised treatment.

This is the primary reason why we are seeing so many more homeless people and so much more psychotic violence.
 
in the same vein, every single person who died unarmed because they were told of the flawed kellerman study can blame him.

Every student who dies in school shootings you can now partially place their deaths on the heads of the 20/20 production staff for their very biased article about how unuseful CCWs really are.

You can point to any alcohol related add, and say it in a small way is partially to blame for drunk driving deaths.


I see a very slippery slope for either left wingers or right wingers if you start placing blame on the people who indirectly influenced an actor.

Can we blame teachers and parents for not detecting nutcases years in advance? maybe these teachers had an inclination, but our data privacy acts prevented them from telling the right people. We'll just ignore the 100,000 other kids who set off the same alarm bells with the teacher but who grew up to be harmless.



Basically, if 100,000 people hear the same message and 1 does something bad because of said message, the problem is the 1 flawed individual, not the person broadcasting the message.
 
Maybe you should read up on your world history a little bit more
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read up on it, maybe take a class
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Ahhh yes, the personal attacks - last refuge for a scoundrel!

Marxist policies never got implemented in any "communist" country
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Let's ask some Chinese Catholics about their religious freedoms, or former Soviets about theirs. No body has implemented Adam Smith's theories 1:1 either, but that doesn't mean we're not a base capitalist society.

The point is not who implemented Marxism or who implemented communism, the point is that we don't want to be either one!! Looking at what this administration has said and comparing it to the manifestos and policies of regimes we do not wish to emulate is not propoganda. When it comes to gun control, they are very much on the same page, and that scares alot of people. It's not propoganda when they ACTUALLY SAID IT!!
 
And on that note - we're done.

I think that this simple comment is probably the key takeaway:

I see a very slippery slope for either left wingers or right wingers if you start placing blame on the people who indirectly influenced an actor.
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Allowing individual accountability to be diluted by placing attribution for somebody's actions elsewhere is simply A Bad Thing, no matter who's doing it or what the motivation is for doing it.
 
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