Italian Single Action Revolvers

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School me on Italian SAA clones.
There's a few Italian companies that make Single Action Revolvers such as:
Uberti
Cimarron
Taylor
I think there's more. Doesn't Rossi make single action revolvers?

I have heard that some of these are just importers. Maybe Taylor is made by Uberti or something like that.

What's the differences? Are some of these better quality than others? Are they all just the same with different branding?
 
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Taylor's and Company and Cimarron are importers, and possibly tuners, and can often have models made specifically for them. Uberti and Pietta are the two main Italian makers that actually make the guns. There are differences in internal safeties/mechanisms and/or lack thereof, and some say in quality. Some are Pietta guys, and some are Uberti guys. Both can make lemons, and both can make great revolvers IME.

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This should be fun. It's basically Pietta vs. Uberti.

Some say Uberti is superior or at least better.

Some say Pietta is superior or at least better.

I say get a Ruger New Vaquero. Which of course
isn't what was asked. But it's going to be said
sooner or later.

Uh oh, 1KPerDay was faster on the draw than me. :(
 
This should be fun. It's basically Pietta vs. Uberti.

Some say Uberti is superior or at least better.

Some say Pietta is superior or at least better.

I say get a Ruger New Vaquero. Which of course
isn't what was asked. But it's going to be said
sooner or later.

Uh oh, 1KPerDay was faster on the draw than me. :(
I’m going with Ruger too! their CS is BOMB
 
I say get a Ruger New Vaquero. Which of course
isn't what was asked. But it's going to be said
sooner or later.
I already have a Ruger Vaquero and a Blackhawk. I'd kind of like the firing pin on the hammer even though safety issues prevent you from carrying it with 6 live rounds.
 
I already have a Ruger Vaquero and a Blackhawk. I'd kind of like the firing pin on the hammer even though safety issues prevent you from carrying it with 6 live rounds.
Rugers can be modified, by getting rid of the transfer bar,
so you can most certainly shoot yourself in the foot or leg.

Note: In the interest of safety I didn't describe all the
needed mods to the Ruger.
 
I say get a Ruger New Vaquero. Which of course
isn't what was asked.
They're solid revolvers and proven durable... but some of us purists like the firing pin on the hammer and no transfer bar.

I liked my old EMF Great Western II (by Pietta), 4 clicks, floating FP... didn't like the cheesy laser engraved billboard on the top of the barrel, though. but it had nice color case-hardening and a checkered hammer.

I’m going with Ruger too! their CS is BOMB
Is that good? (I'm not up on millenial slang)

Me, I think both Uberti and Pietta make some cool sixguns. I need more.
 
They're solid revolvers and proven durable... but some of us purists like the firing pin on the hammer and no transfer bar.

I liked my old EMF Great Western II (by Pietta), 4 clicks, floating FP... didn't like the cheesy laser engraved billboard on the top of the barrel, though. but it had nice color case-hardening and a checkered hammer.


Is that good? (I'm not up on millenial slang)

Me, I think both Uberti and Pietta make some cool sixguns. I need more.
did you just miss generation me??? 😂
 
I have a bunch of Ruger single-actions and like them.

I also have one Uberti and one Pietta. I like both of them, too.

Yeah, Taylor's and Cimarron are importers. I think both of my Italian SAA's are technically Cimarrons.

My Uberti and Pietta seem equally good.

IMHO, a SAA in 9mm is a really fun range toy and they're very cheap to shoot. :)

 
School me on Italian SAA clones.
There's a few Italian companies that make Single Action Revolvers such as:
Uberti
Cimarron
Taylor
I think there's more. Doesn't Rossi make single action revolvers?

I have heard that some of these are just importers. Maybe Taylor is made by Uberti or something like that.

What's the differences? Are some of these better quality than others? Are they all just the same with different branding?
I can talk about Uberti reproductions since I own two, but as stated above, Uberti, Pietta and Rossi (and maybe others) make reproduction single action Western style revolvers and lever action rifles.

Uberti is owned by Benelli, a subsidiary company of Beretta Holdings. Revolvers sold in the US as Uberti are imported by Stoeger, another company owned by Beretta Holdings. Cimarron and Taylor's import Uberti-made guns themselves and are branded by them, as their revolvers are made to their specifications. Mechanically they are all almost identical, as the guns are built to the original Colt and Remington patents and any variations are usually in the safeties used (if any) and cosmetics such as checkering of grips and finish colors.

I own a Uberti 1873 Cattleman II, which is a version of the Colt Single Action Army revolver patented in 1873. The cattleman II is a newer version of the Cattleman, and has a new type of safety incorporated into the hammer, which serves to holds the firing pin off the primer of a chambered round resting under the hammer. Originally, Colt used a notch in the hammer that held the hammer back just far enough to prevent firing pin contact. Taylors still uses that type of safety, and like the original Colt, it is not recommended to load 6 rounds, preferring to leave an empty chamber under the hammer. Even Uberti does not recommend relying on the new style safety and only loading 5. Formerly, Uberti and Taylor's (who still uses this version in its Remington clones) had a small spring loaded tab in the hammer arm that sprang forward when the hammer was pulled slightly back. There was also a change to the rod that the cylinder rotates around, it removes in order to remove the cylinder, and the latch in front had a second depression that allowed the rod to be moved back and also hold the hammer off the round beneath it. I ordered a replacement hammer and trigger from Taylor's to retrofit my cattleman II back to the original Colt SAA standard. It now has the true "4-click" hammer like Sam Colt designed. 1st click is the safety, holds the hammer back about 3/16"; 2nd click is the half-cock notch. This is where you put the hammer to load and unload the revolver, when in half-cock the cylinder stop is retracted, allowing the cylinder to be turned by hand as you index each chamber with the loading gate on the right of the recoil shield. As you continue pulling the hammer back, the 3rd click is the cylinder stop falling in place and timing the cylinder for firing, and the 4th click is the hammer reaching full cock. The Remington reproduction has much the same type action but there are internal differences between the Colt and Remington designs, which Uberti closely copies. I also own a Taylor's (Uberti-made) Remington 1875 reproduction. Both my revolvers are chambered in .45 Colt.

Anyway, these guns are extremely well made and can handle modern standard power ammunition in whatever they are chambered in. Cimarron guns are very similar to Taylor's in their slight cosmetic changes from Uberti, but you can place all three next to each other and it's anybody's guess which one is which, since Uberti manufactures all three.

Top revolver in each picture is the Taylor's Remington 1875 , the bottom is the Uberti Colt 1873. I refinished the grips on both guns to get rid of the high-gloss modern finish.
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The cattleman II is a newer version of the Cattleman, and has a new type of safety incorporated into the hammer, which serves to holds the firing pin off the primer of a chambered round resting under the hammer.
I've heard of this but don't understand it. It sounds like it's a retractable firing pin? How would it stay off the primer when you don't want to shoot and impact the primer when you pull the trigger?
 
I have a Taylor & Co. 44 magnum. I don't know if Uberti or Pietta made the parts but it needs no tuning. It was really nice right out of the box and has the 1860 Army grip, a big plus to me. I care nothing about the clicks. Can't hear them to count them.

Taurus has reentered the SAA market.

When it gets down to the nitty gritty I'll take a Ruger over any of the others. Prefer 3 screws but there is nothing wrong with the tranfer bar either.
 
I've some Uberti black powder revolvers, excellent guns. My Uberti Cattleman II Birds Head is giving me some issues, hope to have those resolved soon. I am also interested in the new Taurus Deputy.
I’m giving Taurus a shot at it! they are probably the biggest company doing SAA copies
 
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