IWB Carry vs. OWB Carry

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I had been wearing my J-Frame OWB until pretty recently when a relative pointed out that the bottom of the holster was visible whenever I bent over (I was wearing a shirt out to cover it). Since then I transitioned to IWB carry but I can't get used to it. The gun just feels 'chunky' and like it's digging into my side.

2 Part Question:

1. Should I abandon OWB Carry? I'm not totally convinced that it's that noticeable to most people even if I'm bending (which I don't do a lot of), but now I'm worried about it.

2. Can you recommend a good IWB holster, something that is comfortable and well constructed?

3. What do you see as the benefits of OWB vs. IWB carry?
 
I have never liked IWB carry. I find it uncomfortable. Buying pants with a waist that is 1-2 inches larger than you would normally buy helps.
One question, in your area is open carry legal? In other words, if someone sees your gun, is it an OOPs, sorry about that, and everybody goes on with life? Or is it confiscation of the firearm and some time in the county jail?
Your answer to that is what determines how big your problem is.
If it were me, I would either just get longer cover garments, and/or a higher riding OWB holster.
 
I have nearly 30 years in Martial Arts and a 9th Dan Black Belt; I have never worn caps, T shirts or anything else that would announce the fact.

Suppose I ran into some novice wearing a shirt stating 'Kenpo Karate' and he got aggressive and dropped into a stance. I'd unload everything I knew on him.

I rarely carry a weapon; but when I do, I never advertise. Suppose someone walks into a business with a gun and criminal intent. He sees a guy with a gun. Guess who he's going to shoot first? That's why I think open carry is a bad idea and totally insane.

Get a butt pack or one of those little .380s that fit in a pocket. What's wrong with an overshirt over a T shirt? Keep it hidden is my best advice.:)
 
I carry a smith 340 IWB in a Kramer horsehide holster. It took some getting used to, but I hardly notice it as long as I don't tighten my belt too much. One notch looser than where you have it without a gun is about right. My father just bought a crossbreed IWB holster, which is essentially the outward half of a holster riveted to a flat piece of leather that rides against your body. He says its the most comfortable way to carry a revolver IWB, and I believe him. I think the short answer here is a Crossbreed holster. Check it out on their website and you'll probably agree.
 
Old Ranger said:
Suppose someone walks into a business with a gun and criminal intent. He sees a guy with a gun. Guess who he's going to shoot first? That's why I think open carry is a bad idea and totally insane.
I'll supply the event that proves you (and the rest of your team) wrong. You can supply an event that proves you're right.

Amazing use of a 1875 Remington Army .45 Long Colt - THR
OC Stops BG in Robbery - THR

Please note that your opinion is statistically impossible (on info drawn from real events).
 
Just to be clear I am talking about OWB with a cover garment not open carry.
 
Some folks will tell you that they can conceal a desert eagle while wearing a sequined thong and doing Ty-Bo on the rear wing of a F1 car during qualifying. And it is comfy too.
More power to them.

I loath IWB carry. In order for the weight of the gun not to drag your pants down around your ankles you have to cinch it tight, digging the gun into your body.

It is like an inquisitor invented it.

Even though my boss is an a-hole, dress code is not an issue. Since I work for myself I wear "camp style" shirts, untucked polos and tee shirts. All conceal my sidearm nicely. (a detective special or a diamondback)

My holster is either a Bianchi black widow or a custom holster made by the incomparable yet shockingly affordable Cotton Inks of Cotton's Custom Leatherworks. (http://www.tex45.com/) Both ride very high and are easily concealed under an untucked shirt.

If that is not the order of the day I have a little 9mm that sits in a cargo pocket nicely. (pm9 in a desantis pocket holster)


So in short, I jettisoned IWB carry and now that I have a great belt (5.11 reinforced instructor belt) my carry life is very comfy.
 
1. Should I abandon OWB Carry? I'm not totally convinced that it's that noticeable to most people even if I'm bending (which I don't do a lot of), but now I'm worried about it.

2. Can you recommend a good IWB holster, something that is comfortable and well constructed?

3. What do you see as the benefits of OWB vs. IWB carry?

1. i've carried a pistol as large as a 1911 IWB, in a Spark's Summer Special, when i was younger and currently will carry a pistol as large as a Sig 220 or Beretta 92 OWB in a Comp-Tac paddle or Alessi ACP/CQC. you just have to use a good belt and be aware of how you are moving.

3. the major benefit of the OWB holster over the IWB is that it is easier on your back and faster to draw from...plus easier to re-holster with also
 
Buying pants with a waist that is 1-2 inches larger than you would normally buy helps.

I'll second this.

1. Should I abandon OWB Carry? I'm not totally convinced that it's that noticeable to most people even if I'm bending (which I don't do a lot of), but now I'm worried about it.

Not yet, as another poster said, maybe longer shirts are all that is required. If you live in an open carry state, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Most people today walk around in lala land all day long, completely oblivious to their surroundings. I know I print if I bend over a certain way. It bothered me a little at first, but I don't really give a crap anymore :p .

2. Can you recommend a good IWB holster, something that is comfortable and well constructed?

First off, I'm not a big Kydex fan, so all of my holsters are leather. The two that I've had the best success with are the FIST #20 and Lobo Gunleather IWB rigs. The big thing is to find a holster that does NOT have the loops situated directly on top of the gun, which makes the whole package even thicker and less comfortable. Additionally, I have found that a sweat shield makes a big difference in comfort, as it smooths out the sharp edge of the holster opening from digging into your side. Something that one of my FIST holsters without the sweat shield does from time-to-time.

3. What do you see as the benefits of OWB vs. IWB carry?

The biggest benefit is that which you've discovered for yourself: comfort. Plus you don't have to invest in pants with a larger waistline. The drawback of OWB carry is that all things being equal, an IWB will conceal better.

Some folks will tell you that they can conceal a desert eagle while wearing a sequined thong and doing Ty-Bo on the rear wing of a F1 car during qualifying. And it is comfy too.
More power to them.

There's some imagery for you! :D

Guilty as charged. Generally speaking, I think that those that prefer IWB tend to be thinner, while those that are heftier lean more towards OWB. Not always true, but there does seem to be a fair correlation.

I am about 6'7" and 210 lbs, and with a good stiff belt (important for either IWB or OWB) and nice holsters, I don't have any issues with IWB carry. At first, it did take a while to get used to; a lot of experimentation was needed to find the right spot to carry. I've found that 2:30 - 3:30 works best for me, depending on the gun.

But IWB isn't for everyone, but it certainly doesn't hurt to try it to see for yourself either. If you don't like it, you can always advertise the holster for sale right here on THR.

Going back to my gear, I wear a 1.5" bullhide belt from thebeltman.com. Paid about $70 for it.

Pictured below are the 3 guns and holsters I most frequently carry IWB. The first is a S&W Model 66 2.5", carried in a FIST #20 IWB that I paid about $65 for.

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I use another FIST #20 to carry this 4" Ruger Police Service Six with nary an issue.


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Lastly, I carry a 4" S&W Model 28 Highway Patrolman in a Lobo Gunleather IWB holster. This might be the best holster I've found thus far, as carrying the fat butt Model 28 is only slightly less comfortable than carrying the slim Ruger or S&W 66. It is big though, and I do have to dress around the gun so it doesn't get carried every day, but it is quite doable for me nonetheless.

This one definitely isn't everyone's cup of tea, especially IWB.


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Thanks for your extensive post. I really appreciate the pictures. I see what you mean about the belt loops not sitting directly on top of the rig. I think that's one of the factors making my current IWB setup even more uncomfortable.
 
I only carry with IWB holsters, including the "tuckable" styles that allow carry without a cover garment. My favorite is the DeSanis Cozy Partner, but I have Galcos and Bianchis that work too. There is occasional discomfort with IWB but for me, not much and not often and it is the max for concealment.
 
I usually carry my j-frame in a IWB made by Ryan Grizzle. As you can see in the picture, the single clip can rotate -- and I usually carry it with the clip rotated slightly clockwise from where you see in the picture. This makes the gun simply disappear inside my pants. At 3:00 it's comfortable too!

As for the comment earlier about not carrying openly . . . I've only seen evidence to suggest that open carry is more beneficial than harmful . . . and those arguing against open carry do so solely on grounds of opinion, rather than fact.

Anyway, check out Ryan Grizzle for your IWB
http://www.rgrizzleleather.com/

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If IWB carry is bugging you, you may never like it: depends a lot on your build, and the revolver cylinder has a tendency to dig in. Stick with OWB.

Bear in mind most people don't pay any attention to you, and may not see the gun even if it is visible. People look at faces, not so much at belt lines and below. I would go with a black OWB holster, though. People don't tend to pick up on it as much as brown. Looks like a shadow, or can be mistaken for a PDA case or cell case during a quick glance. Even if they see the gun, they probably will do nothing: just assume you are a cop - bad guys don't use holsters in the movies.

Bank on general ignorance and apathy.
 
started with a BIANCHI pro 100 iwb but was not that comfortable at some times so I'm on a jet slid now for over a year just have to pick the right cloths to were , i do like the
BIANCHI Shadow for my 38
 
My coworkers carry iwb. They wear extra waist size pants. They look like slobs. Reminds me of poor kids whose parents bought them extra size cloths so they don't outgrow them as fast. No wonder they don't have girlfriends.
 
My coworkers carry iwb. They wear extra waist size pants. They look like slobs. Reminds me of poor kids whose parents bought them extra size cloths so they don't outgrow them as fast. No wonder they don't have girlfriends.

that is a funny post

thank you dashootist
 
Being on the hefty side, I prefer OWB. I find a good belt and a pancake holster works well for my S&W Model 637. I'd like to find a similar holster for my 3-inch Model 60, too. IWB is strictly for small autoloaders.

I do tend to wear longer shirts and try to wear the ones with a straight bottom as opposed to shirttails.

Of course, working for myself I can wear anything I want on the job including a regular gunbelt with holster, spare mags and "accessories" for those times when I want to remember why I was glad when I stopped having to wear one as part of my job.
 
i as well have no trouble owb carry as I'm 6.6 260 so there it plenty of room to hide it, trouble is finding a good Strong belt that holds up without stretching out.

my old BIANCHI shadow holster for my ultralight 38 is so nice i forget i have it on sometimes
 
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Originally Posted by Old Ranger
Suppose someone walks into a business with a gun and criminal intent. He sees a guy with a gun. Guess who he's going to shoot first? That's why I think open carry is a bad idea and totally insane.

I'll supply the event that proves you (and the rest of your team) wrong. You can supply an event that proves you're right.


Amazing use of a 1875 Remington Army .45 Long Colt - THR
OC Stops BG in Robbery - THR



Please note that your opinion is statistically impossible (on info drawn from real events).

I thought of the same event right away. Robber walks past a guy with an 1875 Revolver attached to him.

I carry IWB with baggy cloths. Im 47 and dont feel like bum. I hope i dont look stupid..... or I look too stupid to be carrying a gun?

Make sure you buy a gun belt, this took a long time for me to understand the gun belt is stiffer than the leather Walmart belt, makes carrying (In or out) better
 
i like the open carry idea BUT only because it makes your life easer if your gun was to be seen by someone say at WM when you reached up to get something off the top shelf and some uneducated person yells he has a gun.

i don't think i would open carry just for the fact pointed out from Old Ranger

but you wont get in trouble for a flash or printing,
I DON'T WANT THE BAD GUY TO KNOW I HAVE A GUN

I WANT THE UPPER EDGE
 
I tried IWB, but didn't like it for two reasons. The first was comfort; I'm not all that skinny, and could not find a place on me that didn't jut the gun into my midsection (carry guns were, at the time, a Bersa Thunder and a Charter Arms Undercover.) The second was that I had no desire to replace all my pants with new ones big enough to accomodate me and the gun. Because I already had IWB holsters, I switched to ITB (inside-the-belt) carry, placing the IWB holster between the belt and pants. It's essentially the same as OWB, but the belt kind of smoothes out the bulge of the gun a little more. As far as I know, I've never been made. I wouldn't sweat it; your relative probably knew you were carrying, so he was kind of already "looking". I'm the kind that frequently gets mistaken for a cop (was one many moons ago), so that would likely be the first assumption from anyone who does see more than they should.
 
CTGunner;
It may be a bit off topic, but since you are talking about a J-frame, have you considered pocket-carry? I do not like the attention of OC, so IWB used to be my choice. However, the pinching between the ol' spare tire and an office chair quickly became a bore. For me, dropping the J-frame in the pocket solves both. You will still need a good belt, but with a pocket holster the "bulge" is not discernible as a revolver. You can give it a try by buying a cheep, cloth IWB and cutting the off the clip. And in my experience, tales of snagging are way over-stated.
 
I find IWB more comfortable than OWB carry. Even with a good gun belt and quality holster, when I carry OWB it feels the gun is always wanting to pull away and down from my body. With IWB carry, the gun is firmly held against my body and my pants do not want to sag. I am rather thin, and my gun sits in a little hollow behind my hip bone at about 3:30. I do not have to wear larger pants in order to do this. No problem for me. My most comfortable carry combination is a 1911 lightweight Commander clone (SW1911PD) in a Milt Sparks Summer Special. Perfection.
 
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