Japanese Arisaka Rifles

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I am looking to visit with fellow shooters who own Japanese Arisaka rifles. :)

Models include Type 30, Type 38, Type 44, and Type 99

Japanese 7.7 Caliber

Japanese 6.5 Caliber

I do not really care if it is in its original form, military, or if it has been nicely sporterized or "Bubba'd" .

If you have one and shoot it and enjoy it I would like you to share your experiences.

Also let's talk about the mechanics of repairing them and reloading for them.
 
Here's a pic of my ghetto blaster 7.7. Someone chopped it and installed a brass front blade. The sad thing is, it has an intact mum, great bluing and mirror bore...:(

I havnt shot it yet, with 7.7 ammo being expensive as heck. I use it as a wall hanger. A $150 wall hanger.

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I have a type 99 I think, it's been bubba'd. I got it in an estate sale. The tag on it said 6.5 jap. But checking the bore it's definitely a 7.7. Anyway the bore looks like a mirror, no rust, someone put it in a Fajen stock and got a little carried away with the inletting:banghead:
I picked some Norma ammo and a set of Lee dies. So when time allows, I'll see what it will do. Good reload recipes appreciated also.
 
Most type 99s will have a shiny bore, they were chrome plated. Chrome is pretty much impervious to rust. The substitute standard guns (the so-called "last ditch" guns) had no chrome plating

The Japanese were the first to realize that chrome plating a bore in a tropical environment is a really good idea. Or any other environment, considering the corrosive primers used back then.

PPU makes new ammo with a 180 Gr JSP. About a buck a round.
 
Almost forgot, if you want to make your own cases, 30-06 cases work beautifully. Just unscrew the de-capper on a 7.7 die, grease up the cases and run em' in. Trim the extra length off of the neck and you're there. Since the case has slightly more capacity than a 308, loading data for that caliber works fine.
 
Rendab1951, Arisaka rifles are held in near-universal contempt by all but the truly knowledgeable rifle folks. They appear crude but are extremely strong and well made. They will never win rifle accuracy contests as there was not a lot of tolerance control when they were made. Chrome bores often have constrictions and larger areas when slugged. Nonetheless, they have a very short firing-pin fall and OK 2-stage triggers. If you load your own ammo they are not expensive to feed and very good big game rifles. I have a couple of "originals" as well as re-barreled Arisaka action "sporters". My "converted" M30 6.5/260Rem rifle is a tack-driver and can reliably hit woodchucks out to 300 yards. I also have a M99 restocked and rebarreled to .458 WinMag that would be happy on the Serengeti plains--I just never got there.
 
I used to have a severely bubba'd 99 converted to 308. It looked like a first time gunsmith project rebarrel, but it shot surplus 308 pretty well. The trigger was actually pretty nice, especially for the $50 i paid for it. Lost it when my wife and I split up, one of her boyfriends ran off with it...

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I used to have a 38 carbine I picked up at a pawn shop. Unground, 90% blue, metal good but the stock was whittled within an inch of it's life. $60! Found a correct mfg. carbine stock set on the 'bay for $150. A guy begged me to sell the gun to him for $350, so I did. It was a fun, accurate little gun.
 
A day in the life.



One might suppose my ‘life’ had several beginnings. The iron ore for my action, barrel,trigger, etc, was mined on one day. The tree that became my stock had been felled several years prior. But, I prefer to think my life began the day the last inspectors stamp was struck, and I was crated along with many more of my kind. I heard the inspector say that this last production lot of rifles was nowhere near and beautiful on the outside as the rifles made early in the war. Yet, on the inside, where it counted most, I was smooth, and well manufactured.

The crate I was in was hurriedly placed on a truck along with many other crates. The trip to where I would be issued to a soldier was a slow and arduous one. The American Air Forces pounded the industrial centers with almost total impunity now. The roads were in bad shape, and destruction was everywhere. Air raids were common. On the way to the delivery point, the driver had to stop the truck often at checkpoints. I thought we might never get there.

Finally we arrived. The crate was opened and I was issued to a young soldier. He, like all the other soldiers was reminded that the ‘Mum’ stamped on me made me the emperor’s personal rifle. The soldier was to fight bravely, since he like all the others, held the emperor’s personal rifle, and the honor of the emperor was at stake.

The young soldier carried me on a ship. It seemed that supplies of all kinds were in very short supply. Yet, the young soldier and his comrades were told they were chosen to deliver the smashing blow to the American, Australian and British barbarians. Not only were they to drive them out of the home islands, but, push them right back into the sea.

The young soldier wiped me constantly, and gazed at the Mum, it reminded him of his duty; he thought of the glorious victory that lay ahead, and he was a little ashamed of the seasickness that came over him. He though that perhaps it was good there was so little food on the ship. What did a man with seasickness need of food? Besides, as all his comrades remarked, after the great victory, there would be plenty of time for food, drink and women!

The young soldier carried me ashore. He and all his comrades were astonished to see the soldiers who had been there a long time. Their uniforms were ragged, and they all had a glazed look in their eyes. The old timers said little. They placed the newly arrived soldiers in defensive positions around the airfield. The young soldier was told to toss away my sliding action cover. He was told it made too much noise, and would give away his position.

I felt bad as he tossed away a piece of me, but I forgave him for that. All his fellow soldiers did likewise. They realized the old timers had survived numerous battles; and were only trying to train the youngsters, and extend their lives.

The young soldiers discussed among themselves when the battle would come. They didn’t have long to wait. The US Navy began to pound the island with naval gunfire and wave after wave of aircraft dropped bombs. Ground troops moved in and began to squeeze the defenders a bit at a time.

The young soldier fired me time, and time again at the invaders that seemed to move almost ghost like among the jungle trees and brush. He told his sergeant that he was almost out of ammunition. The sergeant told him they were cut off from supplies, and to get the ammunition of a comrade that had died in the next foxhole.

The young soldier gripped me tightly as he scrambled to the next foxhole. He moved a bloody body and found the ammunition. Just as he was about to reload me, shots came out of the brush, and he felt a searing pain in his chest. His arms flew back, and as he lost his grip on me; I was flung out into the sandy soil. A flamethrower clicked on, and I was slightly scotched on the right side of my butt stock. Mercifully, the young soldier who had carried me, and fought so bravely, was already dead before the flamethrower set his body on fire. I lay on the ground for the entire night while the few remaining defenders were slowly silenced.

In the morning, a US Soldier picked me up. I noticed many of the rifles that had been manufactured and shipped with me were now in the hands of US servicemen. I was a bolt-action rifle, quite different from the semi-automatic rifles the US soldiers carried. Yet, all were implements of battle and we did our jobs, regardless of what side we fought on.

The soldier who now held me wiped the dirt off of me and worked my bolt back and forth. He looked down my sights and at my muzzle. He commented to his friend that my caliber was smaller then their 30/06’s, but that I seemed very sturdy. He said I was a fine war trophy. He seemed like a decent fellow after all.

Then I found out I was to be defaced one more time. It was required that my Mum be ground off as a gesture to the emperor. After it was done, the captain of the ship told all the soldiers that they would have to place all of our bolts into a drum. They could get a bolt as they left the ship in San Francisco. Thank goodness the soldier who had me tied a cloth around me with his name on it. I was reunited with my proper bolt in San Francisco; most of my fellow rifles were not so lucky.

After the US soldier separated from the military, I returned home with him. He showed me to his father and brothers. For almost a year I was in a gun rack along side civilian hunting rifles. Then in the fall, I was taken to a range and fired with some expensive, European hunting ammunition. That fall, I killed a deer, the next fall another.

I was luckier then many of my fellow military rifles. I saw some of them on the range. Many had their stocks cut off, or holes drilled in them for different sights, scopes, etc. I wasn’t changed. The fellow that picked me up took good care of me. He put boiled linseed oil on my stock. He kept my action and barrel clean and oiled.

Years passed, then decades. The fellow wasn’t as young now, and he needed glasses. Iron sights were harder for him to see now. He had married, and had a family. As a Christmas gift he received a scoped sporter rifle. I was put in the back of a closet. When the closet was painted, I got a few small drops of pale blue paint on my stock.

Every few years I was taken out, and a few rounds were fired through me though. The fellow remarked that ammunition for me had gotten extremely expensive. But, he still liked to shoot me. I enjoyed going to the range and shooting holes in the paper targets.

As time went my owner was growing older and had some health problems and as a result he shot me less and less. He stopped hunting, and then stopped shooting. I was all but forgotten in the back of the closet.

One day I heard the family talking about a funeral, the fellow had passed away. Several weeks later the closet was cleaned out. The fellow’s son took me to a store that sold military surplus arms. I was sold to the store owner, and put on a rack with other military arms in the store.

I felt bad about all these changes in so short a time. But then, men who seemed to know a lot about me were holding me, and looking me over. They knew what arsenal had made me and knew my approximate time of manufacture! They commented that my action was one of the strongest ever made. They knew about my chrome-lined bore and even knew why my Mum had been ground off. These men made me feel better.

In less than a week, one of the men who came to the store almost daily purchased me. He didn’t seem worried about the scorched spot on my stock, or the ground off Mum. I had a new home! Not only that, but he planned to shoot me in military rifle matches. He gave me the first proper cleaning I had had in many years. He hand loaded ammunition tailored just for me.

My new owner took me to a military rifle shoot. I was shot against M1’s, Enfield’s, Mosin Nagant’s, K-98’s etc. I get shot on a regular basis now, and I’m well cared for. I get to do what I was designed and made for: shooting! I really enjoy this new life.



Article Published Date: 03/01/2008

Article by Mark Trope
 
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I have a nice sporterized 7.7mm with a turned-down bolt handle and what appears to be a Bishop stock. Someone did a nice job of it back in the day.

I bought dies, brass, and bullets to load some 7.7, but Real Life(tm) has interfered with making some ammo and range testing it.

Japanese action
American stock
Serbian brass
Russian bullets
Korean primers
Finnish powder

"All your guns are belong to U.S.!"
 
A friend of mine is in gunsmith school. he has to re-barrel, glass bed two rifles for his next semester project. He is going to get two new .308 barrels,re-profile them to match the factory Arisaka barrels install them relieve and glass bed the military guns original stock.
These are both low end collector guns that won't loose any value from a conversion. After he blueprints the actions and glass beds the stocks he will have two nice sleepers to shoot.
 
I have a Type 38 my father brought back from WWII. It saw action, but still has the dust cover, long bayonet, and the spring-loaded muzzle cover.

P.O. Ackley found that early Jap rifles were among the very strongest military bolt action rifles made - it seems the Japs had a well developed differential heat treating process that would have been the envy of most other nations.

On the other hand, late war production was so bad the guns are literally unsafe to shoot - poor quality steel, poorly manufactured, poorly fitted, and if they were heat treated at all, it was done poorly.

scramasax said:
A friend of mine is in gunsmith school. he has to re-barrel, glass bed two rifles for his next semester project. He is going to get two new .308 barrels,re-profile them to match the factory Arisaka barrels install them relieve and glass bed the military guns original stock.
Working on the stocks of Jap rifles can be hazardous - the Japs used urushi in treating the wood, which is the toxic extract of a sumac plant. It has some nasty vesicant properties, and though it's safe enough to handle the stocks, some people have gotten skin rashes so severe they required medical treatment from contact with the sawdust produced during refinishing.
 
Arisakas always feel somewhat short and lightweight, I always thought they'd make a decent hog gun.
 
I picked up one at a flea market a few years back. It had been sporterized but it was in great shape. The old timer that was selling it was impressed that I knew what it was and that I knew what the mum was. He threw in some reloading dies and some brass.
With the help of our members in the reloading section, I was told how to trim down 30.06 brass for it. It's a fine shooter. It comes out to play a few times a year. After seeing this thread I think it will come out to play tonight!
 
I have several Type 38 carbines, two Type 99 rifles, a Type 44 Calvary carbine and two bayonets. All of them are fun to shoot but the Type 38 carbines in the 6.5 caliber are the most accurate, in my opinion, even out of one that has very little rifling left.... They are hard on brass though as the chambers were cut loose so if you resize with a full length die the brass will eventually work harden.
 
My Uncle used a sporterized Arisaka to hunt deer for years.
I remember he used Norma ammo.
He liked it.
It killed deer dead dead dead.
 
Have model 38 carbines and long rifle and several model 99's. One of my carbines was retired from service and is a school rifle. The T99 rounds are remarkably similar to my Enfields .303. The Model 38's recoil is generally sedate. My major sorrow is that I haven't spent more time firing them but ammo is pretty darn expensive and has had spotty availability. I am looking into caseforming for the 99 though.
 
I have a 6.5, but I do not know the differences between the actions to say which one it is.

It was sporterized when I got it, with a turned-down bolt, in a Fajen stock with a Universal 4X scope (since swapped out for a Leupold) mounted up top.

When my daughter hunted with me, I took it along as a back-up to her Ruger in .260 Rem as the ballistics were virtually identical.

Since my Dr. has told me to start shooting softer-recoiling rifles, it will be what I hunt with this Fall.

Sam
 
Had a sporterized 99 for awhile, we didn't like each other much. Had a sewer pipe barrel and kicked like an evil beast. Could barely hit the paper with it. Traded it for something, don't even remember.

But if I stumbled across a decent deal on a better one, I'd give it a chance, I probably just had a bad one. The ammo I had that came with it were reloads too, they may have just been too hot.
 
Yes hard on brass. I neck size. Bareky a 100 yard rifle. Love the history too. Such a tall rifle for a small stature people
 
The symbol of the Japanese Emperor is a Chrysanthemum, and to honor him military weapons, and vehicles had one on them. In spite of the fact that he was nothing more than a figurehead and had no control over the govt.

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To save face all military items taken as 'war trophys' were supposed to have the 'mum removed.
 
The Japanese used chrome plating to increase the barrel life due to not having access to better steel alloys. US barrel were made from Chrome-Moly steel 4150, which has better wear properties than the medium content manganese steel the Japanese were using.

The corrosion resisting properties were a welcome, but secondary, benefit.
 
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