Jim March
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Oh and YES, I could see the audience.
I still can, late at night when I wake up in a cold sweat...
I still can, late at night when I wake up in a cold sweat...
Jim March just finished Filming "the debate show"
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Jim March
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I just got off the phone with Ann Oldenburg, the USA today reporter who wrote the recent story:
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93005
According to her, law school professor David Logan did NOT see the actual release, and did not get reports of what it was like during the signing (deliberate distraction) and didn't know that we weren't given copies.
All of which are highly relevent, according to the case law I'm seeing.
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93005
According to her, law school professor David Logan did NOT see the actual release, and did not get reports of what it was like during the signing (deliberate distraction) and didn't know that we weren't given copies.
All of which are highly relevent, according to the case law I'm seeing.
jimpeel
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It already has. Remember the Jenny Jones segment where the homosexual guy got murdered by his heterosexual love interest?
How about the Spanish language program where the guy shot his ex-wife twelve times in the head while on camera? I'm sure he just "happened" to show up at the same time as his wife at the cemetery -- where his suicidal daughter is buried -- and the camera crew brought the ex-wife.
Dirksen
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only to help
I don't want to see you waste your money and time against a behemoth that you could be spending against "gun-grabbers."
(1) You went through with the show despite having doubts early -- the first break, if I remember correctly. (2) The word "Crossballs" is posted on the set in several places. So, Viacom (or Judge Judy) would argue: if you had qualms about the show's name (2) or the show's content (1), you should have left. Nobody held you in restraints. The release would not be invalidated becuase the name of the show was different, especially when the new name is posted on the set. That was a tip-off to their intentions. You stayed. You were suspicious. You stayed. Regardless, your reputation has been damaged by your own hand. Take some responsibility for your carelessness. However, to drag this situation out rather than take the loss is to lose further credibility.
Even if the release would be invalidated, that is not a slam-dunk, because of your statements that you suspected it to be a hoax yet you stayed in that seat for over an hour after your first suspicions.
Again I ask, to get a sense of the atmopshere:
The audience sat for 90 minutes?
Could you hear the audience react from where you sat? (Of course you could see them.)
I don't want to see you waste your money and time against a behemoth that you could be spending against "gun-grabbers."
(1) You went through with the show despite having doubts early -- the first break, if I remember correctly. (2) The word "Crossballs" is posted on the set in several places. So, Viacom (or Judge Judy) would argue: if you had qualms about the show's name (2) or the show's content (1), you should have left. Nobody held you in restraints. The release would not be invalidated becuase the name of the show was different, especially when the new name is posted on the set. That was a tip-off to their intentions. You stayed. You were suspicious. You stayed. Regardless, your reputation has been damaged by your own hand. Take some responsibility for your carelessness. However, to drag this situation out rather than take the loss is to lose further credibility.
Even if the release would be invalidated, that is not a slam-dunk, because of your statements that you suspected it to be a hoax yet you stayed in that seat for over an hour after your first suspicions.
Again I ask, to get a sense of the atmopshere:
The audience sat for 90 minutes?
Could you hear the audience react from where you sat? (Of course you could see them.)
Jim March
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The audience was mostly laughing, a few sometimes appeared shocked.
They relied on my good will, my feeling of "well I agreed", lied to be before during and after, and abused my good intentions systematically.
They are NOT going to get away with it.
They relied on my good will, my feeling of "well I agreed", lied to be before during and after, and abused my good intentions systematically.
They are NOT going to get away with it.
Dirksen,
Television/Movie people are masters of angles and tricks. Do you think that they might have the set done such that Jim couldn't see the crossballs logos? Or that they might be added in post production? It would be very easy with a static set.
Television/Movie people are masters of angles and tricks. Do you think that they might have the set done such that Jim couldn't see the crossballs logos? Or that they might be added in post production? It would be very easy with a static set.
Having watched many of the shows, I wouldn't worry about the show.
#1 It's not very funny. (With the exception of the pot smoking one, sorry guys - that one was funny).
#2 Not many people are watching.
#1 can't be changed, but with a little more controversy fueled by a lawsuit #2 certainly could be.
As far as being made to look like a fool, I think of another show where they had a guy play on a "Reality Game Show" in the style of Survivor. In reality everyone on the show except for him were actors. They had him doing outrageous things such as an "endurance" challenge where he had to keep his hand on a hookers breast, one where he had to lick chocolate off of naked strippers, yet another where he had to cover himself in honey and roll around in money among many other things. Surely he looked like an ass on national tv - on the contrary he came off as funny, warm and generous, and to be an all-around-nice-guy. My point is no one can "make you look like a fool", you are responsible for your own actions. (Show I'm describing is The Joe Schmo Show btw)
Dunno. take it for what it's worth. I doubt you will come off as bad as you fear. Even if you do, who's watching anyway. A lawsuit is only going to make you look like your uptight and unable to take a joke. And a signed release is going to be hard to get around.
#1 It's not very funny. (With the exception of the pot smoking one, sorry guys - that one was funny).
#2 Not many people are watching.
#1 can't be changed, but with a little more controversy fueled by a lawsuit #2 certainly could be.
As far as being made to look like a fool, I think of another show where they had a guy play on a "Reality Game Show" in the style of Survivor. In reality everyone on the show except for him were actors. They had him doing outrageous things such as an "endurance" challenge where he had to keep his hand on a hookers breast, one where he had to lick chocolate off of naked strippers, yet another where he had to cover himself in honey and roll around in money among many other things. Surely he looked like an ass on national tv - on the contrary he came off as funny, warm and generous, and to be an all-around-nice-guy. My point is no one can "make you look like a fool", you are responsible for your own actions. (Show I'm describing is The Joe Schmo Show btw)
Dunno. take it for what it's worth. I doubt you will come off as bad as you fear. Even if you do, who's watching anyway. A lawsuit is only going to make you look like your uptight and unable to take a joke. And a signed release is going to be hard to get around.
Jim March
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The crossballs logo was "stylized" on the screens (which were as suspected by Firethorn at funny angles) such that I could make out "Crossba....something?".
I believe my most distinct mindset during the whole thing was...confusion. A constant state of "what the HELL?"
I believe my most distinct mindset during the whole thing was...confusion. A constant state of "what the HELL?"
gunsmith
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home boy don't play that game
Just how is that?
Is the trial going to be on court TV? will Comedy Central air the trial?
I doubt it.
A lawsuit will win Jim $$$ and thats the only thing they understand.
Just how is that?
Is the trial going to be on court TV? will Comedy Central air the trial?
I doubt it.
A lawsuit will win Jim $$$ and thats the only thing they understand.
BryanP
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I've set my ReplayTV to record every episode and so far I haven't managed to watch an entire one. It's just stupid. At this point all I do is make sure that it's not the episode that Jim is appearing in and then I delete it. What a waste of bandwidth.
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Why can't I ever get picked for something like that.
Dirksen
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"Crossba....something?" is not "The Debate Show"
I've watched and taped every episode and I don't remember the names of any of the dupes other than Chris Simcox, of course.
I think I've seen Simcox on other shows, so he might have a case that his reputation was damaged, if he hasn't been asked on any shows since his Crossballs show aired.
Although, I do remember reading from another dupe that people aren't paid much (or at all) for punditry.
Have you been on other shows?
Would this aspect of your case would depend on testimony from other shows' bookers that they won't book you because of your Crossballs appearance?
You can't stop the show from airing. How do you plan to restore your reputation?
I've watched and taped every episode and I don't remember the names of any of the dupes other than Chris Simcox, of course.
I think I've seen Simcox on other shows, so he might have a case that his reputation was damaged, if he hasn't been asked on any shows since his Crossballs show aired.
Although, I do remember reading from another dupe that people aren't paid much (or at all) for punditry.
Have you been on other shows?
Would this aspect of your case would depend on testimony from other shows' bookers that they won't book you because of your Crossballs appearance?
You can't stop the show from airing. How do you plan to restore your reputation?
Jim March
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Prove they were wrong by having a court punish them financially.
All I can do now
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All I can do now
.Jim March
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Not yet.
Sigh.
Ug.
Puke.
Sigh.
Ug.
Puke.
Cosmoline
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As was pointed out, reality TV already has killed. Lying, cheating and stealing is nothing to these people. It's not going to stop until some producers cross the *wrong* person and the entire crew ends up getting themselves slaughtered. And then, of course, they'll rush to blame the guns
Iron Mike
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What a nightmare I really hate those bastids(thats how you say it new jersey) Good luck I hope you ruin them.
What a nightmare I really hate those bastids(thats how you say it new jersey) Good luck I hope you ruin them.
Sylvilagus Aquaticus
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In scanning through my copious 100 channels of no choices on tv I caught the last half of the episode where they were bashing 'fat people'.
I know large folks who would have crushed the little weasel if he'd tried what was shown on the video outclips.
The plant did manage to look like a ****, to his credit.
Rabbit.
I know large folks who would have crushed the little weasel if he'd tried what was shown on the video outclips.
The plant did manage to look like a ****, to his credit.
Rabbit.
I was going through my TiVo today, looks like they plan on airing the episode. Here's what I got:
Crossballs
Thursday, August 26, 2004 6:30PM-7:00PM
"Pistol-Whipped America [ep #115]"
Actors and unsuspecting guests discuss guns.
Set your VCR's I guess. On a good note, read a review on the show that was pretty negative and also pretty much confirmed the ratings for this show are pretty weak. About the only way this show is going to get any notority... is if they get sued by one of their experts (imo). Not trying to be a jerk - honest, I think what they are doing is extremely unethical, but I would think long and hard before suing, or at least take your release contract to another uninvolved lawyer and get a second opinion from someone that has no personal feelings on the subject. Something sick, twisted, and unethical like this is not necesarily illegal.
Crossballs
Thursday, August 26, 2004 6:30PM-7:00PM
"Pistol-Whipped America [ep #115]"
Actors and unsuspecting guests discuss guns.
Set your VCR's I guess. On a good note, read a review on the show that was pretty negative and also pretty much confirmed the ratings for this show are pretty weak. About the only way this show is going to get any notority... is if they get sued by one of their experts (imo). Not trying to be a jerk - honest, I think what they are doing is extremely unethical, but I would think long and hard before suing, or at least take your release contract to another uninvolved lawyer and get a second opinion from someone that has no personal feelings on the subject. Something sick, twisted, and unethical like this is not necesarily illegal.
quote:
"They had him doing outrageous things such as an "endurance" challenge where he had to keep his hand on a hookers breast, one where he had to lick chocolate off of naked strippers, yet another where he had to cover himself in honey and roll around in money among many other things."
... sounds like the last time I was in Las Vegas.
"They had him doing outrageous things such as an "endurance" challenge where he had to keep his hand on a hookers breast, one where he had to lick chocolate off of naked strippers, yet another where he had to cover himself in honey and roll around in money among many other things."
... sounds like the last time I was in Las Vegas.
Esky
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I just looked up the listing--
For those on the Adelphia cable network, it's on tonight (8/26) at 7:30 PM, on Comedy Channel 55.
The Crossballs episode is titled, "Pistol Whipped America" and the description given is: "Actors and unsuspecting guests discuss guns."
So it looks like you're gonna be on the TV, Jim.
I'll be taping it if you want a copy-- and I'll be happy to write some letters (or whatever) as well. Please post what action you'd like us to take.
Esky
who reckons the PRK doesn't need any more gun-bashing shows
For those on the Adelphia cable network, it's on tonight (8/26) at 7:30 PM, on Comedy Channel 55.
The Crossballs episode is titled, "Pistol Whipped America" and the description given is: "Actors and unsuspecting guests discuss guns."
So it looks like you're gonna be on the TV, Jim.
I'll be taping it if you want a copy-- and I'll be happy to write some letters (or whatever) as well. Please post what action you'd like us to take.
Esky
who reckons the PRK doesn't need any more gun-bashing shows
Hold the phone...it's not the guns episode. It's about vegetarianism or something (although my TiVo said it was "Pistol Whipped America" on the way).
Strange. The little pre-blurb before the show had a clip of someone saying "We have committed loving relationships with inanimate objects"...sounds like the gun show. Then the show starts, and it's vegans.
Very strange.
- Gabe
PS: There appears to be a hunting angle...but that's as close to 'gun rights' as I think this is going to get. There's a few bits about poo. Animal rights...
PPS: If I'm not mistaken, this is a repeat...
Strange. The little pre-blurb before the show had a clip of someone saying "We have committed loving relationships with inanimate objects"...sounds like the gun show. Then the show starts, and it's vegans.
Very strange.
- Gabe
PS: There appears to be a hunting angle...but that's as close to 'gun rights' as I think this is going to get. There's a few bits about poo. Animal rights...
PPS: If I'm not mistaken, this is a repeat...
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