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On the verge of exhaustion and at times barely moving, he makes it with the urging of Master Sgt. Robert Hembree, a 44-year-old former San Antonio cop, and his "wingman" Christopher Balltzglier, 20, of Macon, Ga. As he stands, sand on his nose and chest rising and falling, Caldwell is asked if he'd like to crawl another 50 yards.
"I'm not sure," he says.
At this moment, basic training on Lackland AFB is plenty tough for Caldwell, 21, of Birmingham, Ala. But he and other airmen here know the worst is yet to come — and are thankful they won't be around for it.
The Air Force plans to add another two weeks to basic training. It will put more emphasis than ever on transforming would-be techno geeks into warriors, giving them rifles on the second day of boot camp.
Once dubbed the "Chair Force" for its lax physical conditioning standards, the service is evolving thanks to war in Iraq.
The Air Force is determined to close the cultural chasm between it and sister services that emphasize ground combat skills.
"It is sending a message," Gen. William R. Looney III, head of the Air Education and Training Command at Randolph AFB, said of the changes.
"And the message to each and every one of them is now they have joined a combatant arm of the United States military and they are going to be combatants."
Iraq has many lessons, he said. One is the importance of cleaning M-16 rifles, something that cost Jessica Lynch's 507th Maintenance Company dearly at the outset of the war. Yet another is being prepared for ambushes and roadside bombs.
Career specialty isn't the first priority in Iraq's desert, Looney said, adding, "You are part of the fighting force and this is a whole new perspective for our Air Force. And therefore we've got to start with a whole new cultural perspective at BMT."
Basic military training is tougher than it once was. The Air Force's "Warrior Week," a test of war-fighting skills, began in 1999. It's now called FTX — Field Training Exercise — and comes at the 41/2-week point. A final field exam called "Culmination" is given at the end of FTX and stresses fundamentals.
Young boots here defend Scorpion Air Base, a training facility on Lackland AFB's Medina Annex, from the "enemy" — these days, insurgents. They provide first aid to one airman in a drill that tests their ability to treat victims of deadly nerve agents.
One trainee reads through a manual. They have to know which shots to give, and in what order, and they have to move quickly.
Recruits face an information dump when they come to Lackland, learning everything from combat buddy care to the Law of Land Warfare.
Airman Basic Manuel Herrera, 18, of Los Angeles said he froze when he spotted a passing insurgent.
"I saw him," he said. "I'm like trying to talk, but nothing will come out."
Herrera felt like he was having a panic attack. He couldn't use any of the information he'd learned.
Trainee Melissa Cortez, 19, of Atlantic City, N.J., was among several recruits who said 61/2 weeks is too short. "There's not enough time to process what you've learned because by the time you're done, you've got to go asleep," she explained.
Airman Basic Melissa Baab, 23, of Sugarcreek, Ohio, joked that the Air Force can toughen training all it wants after she leaves. But she knows its benefits.
"I walk straighter. I walk with a sense of urgency. It's a completely different outlook going on in my life, a lot more focused. I hate PT (physical training), but yet I love what it's doing to me, how it's strengthening me," she said.
Down the road from the tents and sandbags at Scorpion Air Base, Sgt. Michael Collins, 30, of Auburn, Ala., yells at recruits as they emerge from cover, rifles in hand, and climb over a barricade. Tape-recorded machine gun fire erupts in the distance.
"Let's go! Let's go! Let's go!" he cries. "Don't jump off it!"
Trainees Zachary Wallace, 21, of Bossier City, La., and Brian Guillory run, fall to the earth and take cover. They then charge a pair of dummies. Guillory drives the butt of his M-16 into one and tumbles into the dirt.
"I'm really for any kind of training that keeps me alive," said Guillory, 23, of Lake Charles, La. "Any type of training that will allow me to go overseas and come back and be able to be with my wife and my family is fine by me."
 
If they spend their time like this, how will there be time for the golf tournaments?
 
One of my friend's Fiancee is in basic at Lackland AFB right now. He said it is one fo the hardest most grueling things he has done. This from the guy who loaded up a backpack with 60lbs of weight and went for a 10 mile run "just to see if he could do it".:eek: I guess thay realy are seriouse about making basic up to standard with the other armed forces.
 
Sounds like a sideways attempt to get more infantry on the ground in Iraq while still managing to avoid the draft.
 
Guess the (ch)Air Farce is learning that you can't just fling officers at the enemy. Somebody has to stay behind and make sure that the BG's don't take over the base that the planes need to land on when they're out of go-juice and bombs.
Sounds like a sideways attempt to get more infantry on the ground in Iraq while still managing to avoid the draft.

Yeah, let the (ch)Air Farce guard their own bases and butts so that you free up soliders to take the fight to the enemy.
 
Yeah, scout's comment was just what I was thinking, though I don't want to insult the Air Force. :)

The original mission of the Air Force has declined in importance. The USAF was separated from the Army near the end of 1947, largely because its primary mission was so different from the Army's during the Cold War.

The Air Force has new missions that are vital, perhaps more than ever, but they're different missions.

The Cold War is over, various missiles have replaced many strategic bombing missions, and precision guidance along with stealth tech have changed the nature of tactical bombing. The Air Force gets closer to ground combat, again. Logistics missions take the Air Force into the infantry combat zone, too.

Now the Air Force is once again involved in more "messy" operations, often resembling those of WW II more than they resemble what the Air Force did day-in and day-out during the Cold War.
 
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Jealousy will get you nowhere boys!:neener:

We are changing every day in the Air Force just like everyone else. The whole do more with less (thanks to Clinton) has made us change directions more than once. I just wish I could of had fun in warrior week when I went thru basic back in the 80's. We didnt get to have that kind of fun back then.

What sucks even worse for the new recruits is not the extra 2 weeks but the talk of not getting any retirement until you reach 60 should you decide to stay the full 20.:what:
 
"One is the importance of cleaning M-16 rifles, something that cost Jessica Lynch's 507th Maintenance Company dearly at the outset of the war. "

I missed something back there. There was a problem with weapons not being cleaned? Dirty weapons caused their demise?

I haven't heard this before now.

Vick
 
Perhaps they should be issued different guns.

I'd take a functional SKS over a jammed M16 any day.
 
Okay, "chair force" once or twice is funny, but shouldn't we have some respect for one of the major arms? After all, we are at THR. Besides, who is evacing you, flying supplies, providing fire support, etc.? Come on now, don't be biting a helping hand.

That being said, PT is good for everybody. I wish it were more heavily stressed in this country at every level of education. Today's fat kids are tomorrow's diabetics, infarct patients, dialysis customers etc.
 
I supported a squadron of AF Civil Engineers for four years, and they were a physical bunch, even if it wasn't combat. But physical fitness standards would change with whoever was running the squadron or base. It never came down from the top like this is, supposedly.

jmm
 
Chair Force - I LOVE IT.

I was USAF in the late 70's early 80's back then we were Wing Nuts!

I have to admit though, PT in basic was a joke, High School gym was ten times harder.

Rifle training was 1/2 day with an M16 - First we learned to strip & clean, then we shot a few rounds - I mean a few, something like 20? To qualify as expert you had to hit the target - Really you didn't have to be in the 8, 9 or 10 ring with all of them - maybe 1/2. Very few of the people who enlisted were into firearms. It was basically a 7 to 3:30 job that required a uniform and short hair (this was the 70's so short hair was out of style).

I heard from some senior enlisted that when they were in Viet Nam, the Marines gaurded the outer perimter of the base, next came the Army, then the Air Force but Air Force personnel were not allowed to have ammo for their firearms - too many "friendly fire" incidents.

Still not everyone would be good in combat and Jets still need maintenance.

Its good to learn those people are getting better training.
 
I wear that uniform every day and I'm damn proud of my service. I take my deployments to the sandbox in stride. I even volunteered to get shot at for four months. We may take the easy route but we're still an important part of the military as a whole.

Ed
 
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Don't let them get you down. I'm fairly sure that it's all meant in the spirit of fun (right, scout26?) :D

Anyhoo, the army and marines love to make fun of the navy and air force until they need something...like close air support.

That being said, uping the difficulty of PT is a good thing. Any even better thing is the increased focus on combat skill. In the current conflict, everybody is a target so everyone should be ready to fight back.
 
Loosegrouper,
The Marines supply thier own close air support, Marine Air Wings. They developed close air support during WW2.:D

Oneshooter
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oneshooter/Seargeant Sabre

Point taken on the Marine Air Wings.

The Air Force and Navy are definately in "support mode" for the most part.

This is just a question (not a wisecrack), but would I at least be correct in assuming that those Marine Air Wings utilize AF-built bases and runways and/or Navy carriers?

Everybody's got a role to play. Right now, the troop on the ground is by far the key cog in the military machine. Would it be the same if some #^@# went down in Iran?...maybe. In China or North Korea?...um, not so sure. At least I don't think anyone would say "forget bombing their military infrastructure...just send ground troops!"

To paraphrase Col Jessup..."you want me in the cubicle...you NEEEED me in that cubicle." :evil:
 
All inter-service good natured ribbing aside, as a former Jarhead I can say we are all better off with more people knowing how to employ the primary weapon of the US Armed forces. The AF started doing it with Warrior week (using Army advisors, IIRC) and I hear the Navy has new programs designed to instill basic infantry skills to sailors to make for better local security at foreign ports, etc.

Now, they'll never be as good with that primary weapon as a full-on US Marine, but somebody has to provide an example for the rest... ;)
 
we are all better off with more people knowing how to employ the primary weapon of the US Armed forces.
That just bears repeating...

FWIW my kid joined the AF he was not heavy by any means. He still managed to lose 15 - 20 lbs in BC. He looked like a twig when I saw him at graduation. I imagine the SAn Antonio heat had something do do with it. He then spent 6 weeks in pre SERE instructor where, among other interesting things, he pumped off 2000 pushups a day. He reinjured an old track related back problem "rucking" 55 lbs 6 miles a day in his last week. They were going up to 110 lbs by 5 lbs per week, easily 75% of his body weight,they had started at 35. Much to my surprise (having served USN in the 70's) they let him out.

I just KNEW they were going to send him to Adek to push snow off of airplane wings once he dropped SERE, but they let him out.

I think I'm STILL amazed!

:D
 
Aim High Air Force. It's change a great deal since my time in the late 60's. One thing that is BASIC. That plain greyhound bus driver looking uniform. Doesn't the Coast Guard wear the same color? Might get more respect if the dress blues were more combat-support designed. Don't know how to change it, but one has to admit, the Army and Marine uniform commands respect and authority. Even the Navy looks "military".
 
I'm Army, my FIL and BIL are both retired USAF. In their combined 52 years of active service neither one touched, much less fired any weapon after they got out of Basic.

Yes, the ribbing is in humor, as I want nothing more then a flight of A-10's loitering near my position when the SHTF.

And I'll always remember a certain USAF Major, who was our Brigade ALO. He absolutely HATED going to the field: "I signed up to fly fighter jets, not stomp around in the mud." There is nothing that improves your morale more when you are cold, dirty, wet, tired and hungry, then seeing someone more miserable then you. :D ;)

And to quote Gen Eisenhower on the interservice rivalry and squabbles, "Isn't it enough to just fight the enemy."
 
This is just a question (not a wisecrack), but would I at least be correct in assuming that those Marine Air Wings utilize AF-built bases and runways and/or Navy carriers?

That depends on a lot of factors. The USMC has several Marine Air Stations worldwide (most of them State-side). Most fixed-wing assets will fly out of forward air bases like the former Prince Sultan Air Base in Saudi Arabia. Not really an Air-Force base, but kinda.

As I understand it, many of our VMF squadrons (fixed wing fighters) will deploy aboard a Naval air carrier. The amphibious assault ships I was on had one squadron of Harriers, one squadron of CH-46s reinforced with I-don't-remember-how-many CH-53s, and a few AH-1Ws and UH-1s. Our unit also had access to strategic air lift via four (I think, can't remeber the number) C-130s who usually were are Marine Corps Air Station New River, NC.

So the answer to your question is yes, mostly. Marine Air will launch from a platform maintained by another service.
 
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