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Junk? New Savage Bolt .22s

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I want a single shot .22 adult sized rifle and the only thing not made like “babies first gun” seems to be the Savage Mk I single shot which has an adult sized length of pull.

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But I am reading the new Savage rifles are not the best. Are these actually worth buying, or will they fall apart in short order? Thanks.
 
I’ve got the B22 FVSR and overall I like it. Don’t care for the Ruger knockoff magazine and it’s ammo picky. I do like the stock. If you have a little more cash and really want to hit what you’re aiming at, get a CZ. Or, if you’re not going to scope it, look for a very good Winchester 67. Can’t go wrong there.
 
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the new Savage rifles are not the best. Are these actually worth buying, or will they fall apart in short order?
Well, where did you hear that? I hear lots of things from lots of places all the time, I usually don’t give credence to the dim bulbs and click baits.


This is the Adult MKI, the FVT
https://www.savagearms.com/content?p=firearms&a=product_summary&s=28900

But I’m sure it hasn’t enough “walnut and blue”.
I know your style, and that it’s good. But CZ doesn’t make a single shot.
The good ones are here…:)
https://cz-usa.com/product-category/rifles/page/2/

Except I would not hesitate to buy a Savage.
After all, they make exactly what you want…

They are not junk. If old tech suits you better, ;), get a MKI, if pickup truck reliability is for you, the MKII. New tech your thing? Try a B-22.

Savages are very good, with little work they can be great.
Like this one. Thought it shot fine from the box, now it feels like my other rifles with the Boyd’s stock.
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They are worth it.
 
The only issue I have heard about with the MkI and MkII rifles in the last 6-12 months has been with extraction issues. But the extraction issue is not very common from what I have seen on the different forums. If you want a Savage MkI then buy with confidence.

Note on the MkII rifles. I hear grumbling about the magazines being junk but I have never had any issues with all of the MkII magazines I have. And I use them in both my BTVLSS 22LR and GVL 17m2.
 
There are single shot adapters for many mag fed guns... especially in this time of cheap 3d printers.... also many classic .22lr are still out there. Why the desire for single shot? just curious
I have a older MKII in 17 mach two that has been great... not sure but would not be afraid of new
 
Deleted -- didn't notice the "adult sized" part, so no need to talk about a youth-sized gun.

CZ offers a Single Shot Adapter for all of their bolt actions. It just inserts like a magazine. I have some of them, but never use them after the novelty wore off, which took about 10 rounds for me, IIRC.
 
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Well obviously one can find a ton of adult sized rifles if a magazine spacer is allowable. For example, Bergara uses a short AICS magazine:
https://www.bergara.online/us/rifles/rimfire/b-14r-steel/

I am also curious why the requirement of single shot. Local ordinances?

If I wanted a single shot, I'd get a rolling block actually. Obviously it's not a gun for ultimate performance, so might as well buy a touch of class.

P.S. Voodoo make a single-shot bolt gun. I saw a video by 22plinkster that mentioned a repeater version, they ought to be good.
 
Savage extraction sucks. Especially if running suppressed, but even not the C-Clip spring design is terrible and loses pressure and has to be taken off and squeezed together more and put back on. I had a scary accurate FV-SR that I was glad to get rid of due to extraction issues. Now I avoid all bolts that use that type of extractor C-Clip spring.

Just a quick search and there are countless examples.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=savage+22lr+bolt+action+extraction+issues&t=newext&ia=web
 
Savage extraction sucks. Especially if running suppressed, but even not the C-Clip spring design is terrible and loses pressure and has to be taken off and squeezed together more and put back on. I had a scary accurate FV-SR that I was glad to get rid of due to extraction issues. Now I avoid all bolts that use that type of extractor C-Clip spring.

Just a quick search and there are countless examples.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=savage+22lr+bolt+action+extraction+issues&t=newext&ia=web

We all know that the squeaky wheel gets the grease and that one OH CRAP wipes out 10 At A Boys. And we also know that people are more likely to post on forums with negative comments versus positive comments. And I have not seen this being a big issue on the multiple forums I belong to. Yes the C clip is a weak link but the problem is not wide spread unless something has changed in the last few months.
 
We all know that the squeaky wheel gets the grease and that one OH CRAP wipes out 10 At A Boys. And we also know that people are more likely to post on forums with negative comments versus positive comments. And I have not seen this being a big issue on the multiple forums I belong to. Yes the C clip is a weak link but the problem is not wide spread unless something has changed in the last few months.

Just posting my experiences, take it or not. Have at the Savages, they are not for me. And it was/is an obvious design weakness/flaw.

The OP asked about the Savage rimfires, I gave him my account. Or should this thread just be about good things about the Savage rimfires?
 
Extraction issues on the savage rimfires are all over the net on different forums and venues. To say otherwise is...well I don't know what it is. Once I was having problems with mine, it took me all of 10 seconds on a search to realize that I'm not alone. Too bad I didn't wander onto a post like I just posted and it would have saved me some headaches and time. And I went along with trying the different fixes and eventually decided to dump my FV-SR which was a shame because it was very accurate but equally frustrating and unreliable.

https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230921
https://www.sniperforums.com/threads/savage-mkii-trr-22lr-ejection-problem.40571/
https://www.huntingnet.com/forum/guns/311788-cure-savage-mark-ii-extraction-problems.html
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/threads/savage-mark-ii-failure-to-extract.1188885/
https://www.reddit.com/r/22lr/comments/j0iq10/savage_mk_ii_extraction_fix_two_springs/


When I was searching for a replacement to my Savage FV-SR I was in between the Christiansen Arms Ranger 22 and the Bergara 22. The first thing I noticed on the Christiansen Arms is the same style extractor setup as on the Savages. And low and behold a quick google search shows....drum roll please....extraction/ejection issues with the Christiansen.

https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/christensen-arms-22-ranger-owners-questions.7045373/
https://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/final-ranger-22-report.4048202/
https://www.reddit.com/r/22lr/comments/mn6auj/anyone_who_sent_their_christensen_arms_ranger_in/



It's a design flaw due to wanting cheap to manufacture equipment, I have several other 22 rimfires with different style extraction setups and have no issues with the same maintenance I was giving my FVSR.
 
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Just like I gave an answer to the OP that I have not seen such major or super common issues with the Savage rimfire rifles.

I own several Savage MkII rifles myself and have never had any issue with any of them not extracting fired cases or live rounds.
 
From what I can tell Savage has been cutting corners the last few years. They have always been budget oriented, but I believe they are approaching that wall of limited returns. Perhaps they have been focusing too many resources towards their new models leaving their legacy models in the dust.

Either way,, I would think the MKI would be one of the few spared models. Just be sure to check out the bluing/finish. Savage has definitely been cutting corners here.

Also, be aware that, at least in my experience, Savage really doesn't like sending out certain gun parts to you but instead demand the whole firearm be returned to them for repair. I found this out when a spring for the trigger was broken on my B22. Savage rep stated that they refused to send me the spring because "improper installation could result in death or injury "

However, they sent me 2 extractors 6 months apart for the same gun.
 
I have that exact rifle. It is not junk by a long shot. It is, however a very spartan rifle. I purchased mine used, but very clean.

The only two things that I have done to it are add a metal trigger guard from DIP Inc.: https://www.diproductsinc.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=1173591&CAT=5627 The plastic trigger guard is functional, but I hunt with my rifle and it is not worth risking injury. The metal trigger guard does slightly raise the appearance as well.

And I also added USGI Silent Sling: https://www.amazon.com/USGI-Rifle-Sling-Buckles-Silent/dp/B00KXGWBLM/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3SZQ1L07SKXTL&keywords=usgi+silent+sling&qid=1677739046&sprefix=us+gi+sil,aps,133&sr=8-3. This keeps everything simple and light.

I have thought about replacing the sights, but have come to enjoy the simple sights that are on the rifle. I find the size just about right for long treks on foot in the desert. I am 6'2" 235 and am able to shoulder and shoot the rifle comfortably. It is a good compromise in terms of size and remaining a useful rifle for an adult, much more so than my CZ452 Scout.

Lately I have really enjoyed simplifying my shooting. I have purposely slowed down and focused more on enjoyment rather than spending my whole shooting sessions practicing defensive shooting. When hunting, I have tried to rely more on knowledge rather than technology for success and this rifle fits well into this way of thinking.

If you understand that you are not buying a CZ, I am sure you will be pleased. If you need more refinement, then this is not the gun for you. Mine has served me well and I would recommend to others.
 
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I find it amusing that guys shop around for the cheapest _______, then complain about sub par quality

My Kia sure sucks compared to my friend’s Lamborghini. Funny thing I’ve figured out through life.......when you buy better stuff you usually get better stuff. But maybe that’s just me
 
I want a single shot .22 adult sized rifle and the only thing not made like “babies first gun” seems to be the Savage Mk I single shot which has an adult sized length of pull.

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But I am reading the new Savage rifles are not the best. Are these actually worth buying, or will they fall apart in short order? Thanks.

I don't know about the MK I but have owned a new model MK II for a time. The extraction problem seems common from what I read on other forums and mine had the problem. It's a simple fix as the the "C" spring that holds the extractor in place is too weak and you just add another on top of the original and the problem goes away. Savage even sent me one free of charge. Accuracy was it's downfall and even a new wood stock and an epoxy bedding job with steel pillars didn't help. Shoot two or three shots here and two or three over there no matter what I did.
 
I haven’t used a MkI in a long time, and in fairness, my MkII’s are ~13yrs old and ~6yrs old, and obviously the covid pandemic and RussoUkrainian invasion have had significant market influence since then, so I can’t speak to current production, firsthand. But the accuracy and reliability of both of mine have been the same. One is a higher model which came with a Boyd’s stock and a spiral fluted, relatively high polish barrel, I think around $750 out the door at the time, whereas the other is as bare bones as it gets, a mottled matte stainless lightweight barrel which came in Tupperware. Both shoot small, and my son and I have been through thousands and thousands of rounds with each. I’ve not had extraction issues, but I readily acknowledge relatively marginal designs - relatively speaking, Remington extractors suck, Savage centerfire extractors suck, Savage C clip Rimfire extractors suck - but I also concede to evidence that millions of Savages are running reliably all over the country.

The MkI/II are true Rimfire rifles with a smaller frame, lighter, more “Rimfire-y” feel compared to some models, but they’re good performers.
 
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