Just got a letter from the ATF

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BE AWARE FOR AMERICA…..
All of us are concerned about the intentional, criminal misuse of explosives or firearms. We also believe we can
play a role in preventing such abuse in the future. So, we’re joining forces to help protect these products from
falling into the hands of those with criminal intent. Here are a few steps you can take to help make the effort a
success.

AWARENESS AND ACTION.
OUR MOST EFFECTIVE BLEND.
The first step to take is protect your products. Make your own place of business or residence a secure site for
storage and distribution of explosive products and firearms. If you sell black powder a Federal license is required,

but generally no record of distribution is required. Consider on a voluntary basis maintaining records of transactions
including the individual’s driver’s license information. Smokeless powder generally requires no Federal license or

permit, and there are no recordkeeping requirements. However, keep in mind smokeless powder is the explosives
material most often used in pipe bombs and other explosive improvised devices. A few questions as to how the
powder will be used may deter someone with ill-intent. Also, if you have a personal collection of firearms, or a
personal use quantity of explosive materials secure these items in a safe manner.

Maintain a record including serial
numbers of all firearms you possess for purposes of reporting stolen firearms to law enforcement.

Now for step two – know your customers.
MAKE THE RIGHT CALL.

Nobody knows your customers or other hobbyists and their needs like you do. You can use this knowledge to help
protect against the criminal misuse of explosive materials including smokeless powder.

In your conversations you
may be able to tell if something’s not quite right with someone’s request to obtain explosives – be it the quantity
they ask for; their lack of knowledge of the products; or their impatient, nervous, agitated manner.

If something doesn’t seem quite right, wait until the person has left. Jot down as much information as possible.
Then call the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) at the toll-free number indicated below.

Don’t doubt your instincts or second guess yourself. If something gives you pause, in even a small way, call the
number. ATF and local law enforcement agencies will conduct a discreet investigation right away.

Any information you give will remain confidential, including your name and address. Your swift action just might
protect lives, property, and our individual freedom.

BECAUSE YOU CARE. STAY AWARE.
Look for these signs that something may be amiss.
Ø Stranger - Unfamiliar to area or to you.

Ø Doesn’t want product suggested - Insists on taking specific product but has no knowledge of its use.

Ø Hesitates/hedges when asked for information - Name address, signature, photo ID, etc.

Ø Acts nervous - Avoids eye contact. Seems jittery, uneasy, vague.

Ø Pays in cash - Won’t write a check or use credit. Has no account with you
or other businesses in the area.

If someone seems out of place, jot down some notes on a piece of paper:

ü Note their physical appearance

ü Note the make, model, and color of their vehicle

ü Note the license plate number

ü Save any paper on which they may have written a name or address; minimize handling to help preserve for
fingerprints.
Then make the call. 1 800 800 3855. Be aware for America.


http://www.atf.gov/firearms/070704openltrattachment.pdf
 
Nobody knows your customers or other hobbyists and their needs like you do. You can use this knowledge to help protect against the criminal misuse of explosive materials including smokeless powder.

I was under the impression that smokeless powder wasn't considered an explosive and doesn't fall under the scope of things the ATF regulates. Am I wrong?
 
wow. i didnt know that not having a checking account or not using credit cards for all my purchases made me a suspicious person.
 
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DBSP is indeed an explosive, but not in the sense of black powder, which is a low explosive.

DBSP is a secondary high explosive, and to set it off requires a primary high explosive and a good booster.

Basically, anyone with the knowledge on how to set DBSP off could make a better secondary high explosive than it.


Another case off "boo! be scared!" :rolleyes:
 
I got that one today too. Tossed it in the garbage since I only have a C&R and do not deal with the public.

Greg
 
Mostly just reminders about common sense stuff. Kind of like DEA asking stores to watch for large purchases of Sudafed, and hardware stores to look out for odd purchases of certain chemicals, or ATF asking fertilizer suppliers to watch for unusual purchases of Ammonium Nitrate.
 
This sounds like a remarkable waste of time.

How long before they recommend keeping lists of ammunition purchases? It was required for many years and finally dropped after it failed to help in a single criminal investigation.
 
How come I didnt get one! Id love to catch me a terr...the closest I get is turning in cloned Visa numbers to Customs and the Banks....

WildspurnedAlaska
 
I love this line:

"Your swift action just might protect lives, property, and our individual freedom."

Someone, by the very act of complying with this request is giving up a portion of their individual freedom and infringing upon the individual freedom of the customer!

Gimme a break! :mad:
 
I think the ATF's point is that if a couple of Arab men walk into your store, ask for 50 lbs. of smokeless powder, you ask them what kind, they respond "whatever is most powerful", and they pay in cash -- then you should contact law enforcement.

I don't disagree with the ATF's premise. Someone who buys a lot of smokeless powder and doesn't know the first thing about reloading should raise a red flag. I don't think anyone needed a letter from the ATF to realize this, but still.


DBSP = double-base smokeless powder (?)
 
I got the same letter. Aren't those people at the ATF so nice? I don't deal with the public nor do I have gunpowder, either so it doesn't apply to me.
 
I love this line:

"Your swift action just might protect lives, property, and our individual freedom."

Someone, by the very act of complying with this request is giving up a portion of their individual freedom and infringing upon the individual freedom of the customer!

Gimme a break!
I think the real irony is a line like that from ATFE!!! :barf:

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It's strange they've sent it to Type 03s
Instead of ATF deciding which group(s) their letters apply to, they just send them to all FFLs and let you determine if they are applicable. Same thing as the stack of 4473s you receiver periodically.
 
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I think the ATF's point is that if a couple of Arab men walk into your store, ask for 50 lbs. of smokeless powder, you ask them what kind, they respond "whatever is most powerful", and they pay in cash -- then you should contact law enforcement.
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If I were a suicide bomber, buying powder, I'd use a credit card ! :D :D
 
it's your business, your right to refuse service

Common misconception. A "private" business that is "open to the general public" can't just decide who they will do business with. You can set guidelines that apply to everybody and that have some grounding in safety, health, etc. but you can't just "do what you want."

For example, you can't just say, "I'm not selling anything to blacks." Or "no indians or Jews allowed." Actually refusing to sell something to someone just because they were of Arabic descent would fall into the same category. Now if they exhibt the "warning signals" like the ATF letter is pointing out, that would be "cause for refusal." But you would do those same things regardless of ethnicity or race.

The only way around these types of laws is by becoming a "private club." That's how some golf clubs can exclude women or jews or blacks or whatever. If they don't take any public money and they aren't actually "open to the general public" then they are allowed to discriminate.

Gregg
 
yeah, i really think a terrorist is going to be stupid enough to all of a sudden go out and buy gunpowder in bulk.
:rolleyes:

it doesnt take a home scientist to figure out its better to buy a little at a time from various places. geez, i figured that one out and i was homescholled.
 
I'm usually nervous and agitated when I'm purchasing powder for benchrest competition, especially if it shoots well...

"Okay, it's all the same lot, right? Let's just make sure... Now, you say you've only got four cases of this? You've gotta get more..."
 
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