Kyle Rittenhouse Trial?

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GEM said:
There are 4 major charges. Typo? Because a conviction even the least of the felonies is serious and ruins his life if you believe that he is innnocent of all, in this case.

The compromise a fake choice if the goal is to punish him. Any felony conviction is a massive hit.
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COUNT 1: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESS HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON (Rosenbaum death)
COUNT 2: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON (McGinniss claim of firearm pointed at him when discharged)
COUNT 3: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON (Firing at unknown kicker)
COUNT 4: FIRST-DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON (Huber Death)
 
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I need to stop watch stuff like this. I am just so peeved and fustrated. Wisconsin law does not prohibited 17 year olds with a hunting licence from carrying a 16" or longer rifle or shot gun. The judge even threw it out. Yet all throughout the trial, and all across the media, they kept asserting that it's fact that Kyle had the AR15 illegally. I've been listening to live satellite and AM talk radio TODAY, and callers keep asserting that Kyle was carying illegally. The radio host never corrects them... I'm watching coverage on Youtube today and yesterday, and seems like the overwhelming majority keep asserting that Kyle carried illegally.

Even Poliifact and Facebook keep asserting that Kyle carried illegally Over the past year, every conservative who posted that "Kyle carried his AR15 legally" on Facebook had their post flag by facebook as being fake news, they then linked back to Poliifact.

This is why we need to do away with the entire "misinformation" con and allow competing thoughts and debate without censoring and silencing one point of view.
 
Most experts (whatever), think the SD case is very strong. Even folks on not gun friendly CNN and from non gun friendly backgrounds. However, it is easy to say that he will walk. We don't know. His risk is a compromise lower degree felony which still ruins his life.
The wanton mayhem might set a context BUT it is his individual actions that count. Not the other people running around. What did he do! If I were there, I would leave. No reasonable person, thinks Kyle should have gone there. Now, folks can posture and say he should have. Good for you. Given the consequences, is it worth the risk that he is now facing and the continuing consequences to his life with the various outcome contingencies.
 
GEM said:
Most experts (whatever), think the SD case is very strong. Even folks on not gun friendly CNN and from non gun friendly backgrounds. However, it is easy to say that he will walk. We don't know. His risk is a compromise lower degree felony which still ruins his life.
The wanton mayhem might set a context BUT it is his individual actions that count. Not the other people running around. What did he do! If I were there, I would leave. No reasonable person, thinks Kyle should have gone there. Now, folks can posture and say he should have. Good for you. Given the consequences, is it worth the risk that he is now facing and the continuing consequences to his life with the various outcome contingencies.
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I agree with you but Mods, old timers, retired and active L.E. and Military, the overwhelming majority of the members on all other popular firearm forums that I frequent must not be "reasonable." The consensus is usually that he had every right to be there and he was a brave hero. It was these same type of people and mindset that mostly coerced Kyle into thinking it was a good idea to go there open carrying an AR. With that said, none of these people would ever send their teenage son or daughter their alone.
 
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At this point rumor is two jurors are requesting to be replaced. They feel threatened and are worried about the safety of their families. Which I suspect leads me to believe the jury is in favor of a not-guilty verdict. 23:33 UTC time 11/16/2021
 
GEM said:
Most experts (whatever), think the SD case is very strong. Even folks on not gun friendly CNN and from non gun friendly backgrounds. However, it is easy to say that he will walk. We don't know. His risk is a compromise lower degree felony which still ruins his life.
The wanton mayhem might set a context BUT it is his individual actions that count. Not the other people running around. What did he do! If I were there, I would leave. No reasonable person, thinks Kyle should have gone there. Now, folks can posture and say he should have. Good for you. Given the consequences, is it worth the risk that he is now facing and the continuing consequences to his life with the various outcome contingencies.
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While I really don't think it was wise for a 17 year old boy to willfully and unnecessarily get involved in a dangerous situation, making bad decisions doesn't change your right to defend yourself.
 
Here’s my concern:
Juries have a tendency to comprise. This jury is under enormous pressure to convict. I believe that the SD case is strong enough that conviction on all counts is extremely unlikely, but I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of “not guilty“ on all but one … and that would be enough to ruin that young man’s life.

Speculation , yes , but a realistic possibility under the existing circumstances.
 
Waveski said:
Here’s my concern:
Juries have a tendency to comprise. This jury is under enormous pressure to convict. I believe that the SD case is strong enough that conviction on all counts is extremely unlikely, but I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of “not guilty“ on all but one … and that would be enough to ruin that young man’s life.

Speculation , yes , but a realistic possibility under the existing circumstances.
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Riots 100% if not found guilty of all counts left.

Riots 50%+ if found guilty of all counts left as one was dropped and/or just that rioting is the thing to do nowadays. Like rioting when home pro team wins a championship.
 
yeongjo said:
At this point rumor is two jurors are requesting to be replaced. They feel threatened and are worried about the safety of their families. Which I suspect leads me to believe the jury is in favor of a not-guilty verdict. 23:33 UTC time 11/16/2021
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I posted several pages back that the jury would be tampered with. My post was quickly deleted. The jury has basically been threatened and intimidated when they could hear the “protesters” outside earlier today. They know their names are known by the mob and they’ve seen what’s happened to anyone going against the mob.
 
I have been thinking about this, and I am still overall disappointed with the defense. I really don't understand why a use of force expert wasn't called to more conclusively address the reasonableness of Rittenhouse's use of force decisions. The ADA got to make up all kinds of nonfactual and wild stories about what Rittenhouse should have done instead of what he did, and they basically went unrebutted. Hopefully the jury thinks ADA Binger sounded as stupid as I thought he did and that they didn't need an expert witness to tell them he was stupid. But it would have been really good to have a use of force expert, even the use of force instructor from the Kenosha PD, on the stand to testify about what a reasonable police officer would do if someone threatened him and then grabbed his firearm. We all know how that would go.

I also don't understand why the defense didn't hammer the prosecution on Ziminski. After the whole prosecution switched gears and flipped a 90-degree turn to a new theory of the case that Rittenhouse threatened Ziminski by pointing his gun at him, supported only by a fuzzy and vague video still, why didn't the defense raise the legitimate question - if that's the case, why isn't Ziminski here to testify that Rittenhouse threatened him with a gun? Seems like if you're arguing that Ziminski was threatened by Rittenhouse and this justifies Rosenbaum's attack, then we ought to be able to hear from Ziminski about this.

... unless, you know, Ziminski and his wife are total turds who were committing criminal acts and will only embarrass themselves and the prosecution on the stand.

danez71 said:
Riots 100% if not found guilty of all counts left.

Riots 50%+ if found guilty of all counts left as one was dropped and/or just that rioting is the thing to do nowadays. Like rioting when home pro team wins a championship.
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Frickin' Eagles fans, I tell you...
 
GEM said:
The wanton mayhem might set a context BUT it is his individual actions that count.
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The actions he is on trial for were reactions. I think that has been proven, by both the prosecution and the defense.

GEM said:
No reasonable person, thinks Kyle should have gone there.
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I don't expect KR or anyone else to give a rats rear but, IMO, no reasonable person should ever go to Kenosha.

danez71 said:
Riots 100% if not found guilty of all counts left.
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The city has had plenty of time to prepare for it. They have a choice, stop rioters by whatever means necessary or watch their community turn into a slum.
 
Corpral_Agarn said:
Riots no matter what.

You can never appease the mob enough.
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Riots ONLY if police and National Gaurd are told to stand down. Wisconsin is a red state so not sure if they will allow them to burn everything to the ground. Plus this does not have the racial aspect to it which historically is what usually causes riots in high profile muder cases.
 
yeongjo said:
At this point rumor is two jurors are requesting to be replaced. They feel threatened and are worried about the safety of their families. Which I suspect leads me to believe the jury is in favor of a not-guilty verdict. 23:33 UTC time 11/16/2021
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I didn't know this is allowed once the jury has been selected.
 
There will be some rioting no matter what. That was clear after the Derek Chovan verdict, which was guilty on all charges even if they were contradictory.
 
Hartkopf said:
I posted several pages back that the jury would be tampered with. My post was quickly deleted. The jury has basically been threatened and intimidated when they could hear the “protesters” outside earlier today. They know their names are known by the mob and they’ve seen what’s happened to anyone going against the mob.
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A known blm person has said on social media that people are inside filming the jury. He claimed that before it was widely reported and acknowledged by the judge that someone or more than one was caught filming the jury.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...age-taken-of-jurors-in-kyle-rittenhouse-trial

https://en-volve.com/2021/11/10/jud...lming-members-of-the-jury-to-intimidate-them/

https://alphanews.org/judge-confirms-that-people-are-trying-to-dox-rittenhouse-jurors/
 
Popular forums - nope, not impressive. More professional level fora - dumb to be there and NOT a hero. Misguided maybe with good motivations but that's the best I've seen.

Folks live in their narrow emotional silos and if they don't have expertise, you get what you pay for. There are silos of folks talking horse wormer (moderators - scold me but that's the example I can think of for 'popular' forums).

ColoradoMinuteMan said:
While I really don't think it was wise for a 17 year old boy to willfully and unnecessarily get involved in a dangerous situation, making bad decisions doesn't change your right to defend yourself.
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I don't disagree with that but Stupid places, stupid people, stupid actions is something to consider. One has to decide if the penalty you will pay is worth it.
 
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