Langdon Tactical 92

[giggitygiggity]

I’m interested in the Langdon Tactical 92s. I want something that is a joy to shoot yet safe to carry. I’m inclined to get one of their 92s with their trigger job and NP3 package. Are those options a good choice?

Please avoid turning this into a thread about other pistols or how you think all Berettas are junk because you used one that was super old and abused in the military and you now have developed a bias. I’m just looking for feedback on the LTTs and what options are best suited for my intended purposes (range and occasional carry). Thanks!

 

[Schlegel]

I don't have the complete LTT package but i did put in their trigger job in a bag and it was very much worth it. They describe it as about 90% of what you get with the whole deal.

 

[JTQ]

I don't own one, but have followed their development. They are very well regarded versions of the Beretta 92 family. The LTT is a Beretta production gun, but the more options you add, the more hands on you get from Langdon.

For instance, while I may not be willing to spend the extra cash for the NP3, but a trigger job and adding NP3 gets more hands on work from the folks at Langdon and probably less chance of some odd problem from the factory slipping through.

 

[WVsig]

I’m interested in the Langdon Tactical 92s. I want something that is a joy to shoot yet safe to carry. I’m inclined to get one of their 92s with their trigger job and NP3 package. Are those options a good choice?

Please avoid turning this into a thread about other pistols or how you think all Berettas are junk because you used one that was super old and abused in the military and you now have developed a bias. I’m just looking for feedback on the LTTs and what options are best suited for my intended purposes (range and occasional carry). Thanks!

I own a Compact LTT with the trigger job. I am in process of getting a Centurion with a RDO cut. Here is a copy of my initial range report. I traded into this gun so I did not completely spec it. For the Centurion I am going to spec the gun and buy it new. I am opting to put money into the RDO cut vs the NP3. Have NP3 on a Browning Hi Power done by Don Williams of the Action Works and it is a great finish but for me the standard action job on my compact is as slick as I need it to be. Anyway here were my initial thoughts. It is still one of the best DA/SA guns I have ever owned.

So I was able to get out to the range yesterday before the rain. I took this gun out of a spin for the first time. This gun shipped with the LTT trigger job and the fiber optic sight. These are really nice with some extras that were specd by Earnest Langdon. Things like 92G Vertec Slide, dovetailed sights front and back, checkered front and back straps, radiused trigger guard, target crown, etc... The gun is decocker only.

The big upgrade is the LTT trigger bar. It gives the gun a very short reset. Think CGW CZ short. The D spring makes the DA super smooth. It breaks at 6lb 10oz. That is the avg of 5 pulls. It however does not feel like it is that heavy. It is almost revolver smooth. Shooting it next to a S&W 13 was a nice point of comparison in DA. The SA is a clean 4lb 6ozs. This gun even though it has been optimized is suitable for carry. IMHO

It took me a second to get back into the DA/SA groove. Shooting a lot of BHPs, 1911s and CZs in SAO make you treat a trigger like a on and off switch. There is little to no trigger prep involved. Triggers are relatively short and I shoot them with sort of a controlled slap. Its get the gun up get the sight aligned and hit the switch. This has its strengths and weaknesses. When you can control it it makes for fast accurate enough shooting but is it very different than shooting a DA/SA gun with a long DA pull.

So shooting the Beretta today at first I found myself getting the gun up and aligned and then starting my trigger pull ala 1911 and the gun was out there wobbling forever. Looked like I was doing the wobble drill. LOL So after a few DA shots I reset my concentration. I channeled my inner Earnie Langdon and started to prep the trigger. Just like thumbing a safety on a SAO gun during presentation on DA/SA guns I have trained to prep the trigger while presenting the gun. This allows me to take the slack and distance out of the DA trigger and upon presentation once the sights are aligned I am just taking that last 20% out of the trigger and breaking the shot. On most DA/SA guns as the gun cycles I am prepping the trigger for the next shot. I cannot out run the slide but it helps with the follow up shots. With the LTT trigger bar in this gun there is almost no slack in the reset. There is very little forward movement before it resets.

I think that is the beauty of this setup and setups like a 75B or Shadow 2 from people like CGW. You have a preppable DA first pull and then a on off switch for SA. It is the best of both worlds. In my mind the long DA pull has advantages for carry. As you are taking up that slack and prepping the trigger it gives you time to get off the trigger if you change from a go to a no go situation. Sort of like the slack in a Glock trigger which for carry can be an advantage not a disadvantage.

The gun of course is more accurate than I will ever be. Once I dialed in point of aim point of impact it shot well even in my hands. Pretty much everything in the black on a B8 target at 10 and 15 yards. Dropped some because of poor mechanics.

The only down side to this pistol is the grip size. For me it is perfect. I have smaller hands and the length is perfect. I can get my entire hand on the grip and the Mecgar 15s that it shipped with have curved based plate that makes it like it was built for my hands. If you have big paws you most likely would prefer the Centurion configuration with the full sized grip. Even with the trigger job it is cheaper than the Wilson models without the trigger job. It is the nicest Beretta I have ever owned. Check one out if you can. Here is a link and few pics.

 

[UncleEd]

The LTT treatments are very good. So are the Wilson Combat
models. I suggest you check out reviews of both by Chris Baker
on his Lucky Gunner site.

In either case you'll want the "G:" decocker only feature.

However, I suggest you try to check out Beretta's new
92X model. Don't confuse it with the 92X Performance which
is an all-steel competition gun and quite heavy .

The 92X retails for hundreds of dollars less than the LTT
or Wilson yet has a very decent trigger, usually only about
a pound heavier in DA and maybe half a pound or a little more
than 4.5 pounds in SA. With the 92X you get a flat Vertec
grip (extra wraparound grip provided to duplicate the arched
backstrap), a "G" decocker on some models, rounded trigger
guard (like Wilson), larger mag release button, all steel
components including trigger and guide rod, and a recessed
muzzle crown. The sights are square notch (similar to
LTT) and a orange high front sight. However you can change
out sights front and rear fairly easily (just like LTT and Wilson).
The new 92X also features the ability to add a light to the
gun.

I feel Beretta "duplicated" the major features on the LTT and
Wilson but at around $300 to $600 less. Certainly the triggers
depending on options are a bit smoother and lighter than on
the 92X but the 92X is an improvement, I believe, over the
older 92FS. (You can achieve lighter trigger weights simply
by switching to a lighter hammer weight; Wilson has a variety
and Beretta offers its "D" spring for DA work.)

Trigger weights can vary of course but I have right before me
a 92X with an 8-pound DA and 4.5-pound SA. By comparison
I also have an LTT with NP3 trigger bar and it has a 7.5-pound
DA and a 3.75-pound single action. Certainly the LTT has a
slightly smoother feel to it.

 

[WVsig]

The LTT treatments are very good. So are the Wilson Combat
models. I suggest you check out reviews of both by Chris Baker
on his Lucky Gunner site.

In either case you'll want the "G:" decocker only feature.

However, I suggest you try to check out Beretta's new
92X model. Don't confuse it with the 92X Performance which
is an all-steel competition gun and quite heavy .

The 92X retails for hundreds of dollars less than the LTT
or Wilson yet has a very decent trigger, usually only about
a pound heavier in DA and maybe half a pound or a little more
than 4.5 pounds in SA. With the 92X you get a flat Vertec
grip (extra wraparound grip provided to duplicate the arched
backstrap), a "G" decocker on some models, rounded trigger
guard (like Wilson), larger mag release button, all steel
components including trigger and guide rod, and a recessed
muzzle crown. The sights are square notch (similar to
LTT) and a orange high front sight. However you can change
out sights front and rear fairly easily (just like LTT and Wilson).
The new 92X also features the ability to add a light to the
gun.

I feel Beretta "duplicated" the major features on the LTT and
Wilson but at around $300 to $600 less. Certainly the triggers
depending on options are a bit smoother and lighter than on
either the LTT or Wilson but an improvement, I believe, over the
older 92FS. (You can achieve lighter trigger weights simply
by switching to a lighter hammer weight; Wilson has a variety
and Beretta offers its "D" spring for DA work.)

Good stuff the thing that is missing from the 92X is an improved trigger bar. Both Wilson and LTT have their own versions. What makes both of these superior triggers over the stock guns is the reset and the feel the trigger has with these upgraded parts. It is not just the weight of the trigger pull. It is the smoothness and the consistence and shortness of the reset. On the scale mine is not much lighter than the stock gun with a D spring but is it much smoother which makes for a easier to shoot trigger. IMHO

I prefer the LTT to the Wilson but LTT will put a Wilson in if that is your preference. You can also get a 92X from LTT and get a trigger job done which will include the improved trigger bar.

 

[JTQ]

Certainly the triggers depending on options are a bit smoother and lighter than on
the 92X but the 92X is an improvement, I believe, over the
older 92FS. (You can achieve lighter trigger weights simply
by switching to a lighter hammer weight; Wilson has a variety
and Beretta offers its "D" spring for DA work.)

The 92X comes with a "D" spring from the factory.

 

[JTQ]

You can also get a 92X from LTT and get a trigger job done which will include the improved trigger bar.

Correct https://www.langdontactical.com/92x-full-size-with-langdon-tactical-trigger-job/

 

[WVsig]

The 92X comes with a "D" spring from the factory.

Correct https://www.langdontactical.com/92x-full-size-with-langdon-tactical-trigger-job/

Many 1911 shooters like the 92X frame. I shoot a lot of 1911 but did not love the flat backstrap on this DA/SA gun for whatever reason. I prefer slim grips on the LTT frame.