I vote for the 92 INOX. I own a 92FS, and it is a high quality, smooth-shooting, accurate pistol. And when equipped with the Beretta D spring upgrade, which lightens the trigger pull by 25% at a cost of $10, it makes a fine weapon even better.
Narrowed my 9mm. to 5 choices hellp!
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PILOT,
Because you disagree with something does not make it incorrect. Please list all the military units and law enforcement agencies you know who advise lowering the hammer manually instead of using the hammer dropping safety. I cannot think of any.
Dropping the hammer manually WILL ALWAYS HAVE A GREATER CHANCE OF AN ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE THAN ENGAGING A MODERN HAMMER DROPPING SAFETY like those used on the BERETTA and SIG pistols. ALWAYS!
On the traditional CZ75, you do not have this option.
If it has not happened to you, that does not mean it cannot or will not happen.
Neither you or I know how much training or gun handling skill the OP has, so making an assumption is inappropriate.
I prefer to err on the side of caution.
Also, why would you engage a safety on a gun and leave it on if the weapon is double action and is to be holstered. I have heard of a few agencies that do it for gun retention purposes and personally knew one LEO who did it, but the vast majority of people using traditional double action handguns like the BERETTA 92F, use the safety to drop the hammer and then flip it off. I prefer the D model double action only or G model hammer dropping lever (non manual safety).
Jim
PILOT,
Because you disagree with something does not make it incorrect. Please list all the military units and law enforcement agencies you know who advise lowering the hammer manually instead of using the hammer dropping safety. I cannot think of any.
Dropping the hammer manually WILL ALWAYS HAVE A GREATER CHANCE OF AN ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE THAN ENGAGING A MODERN HAMMER DROPPING SAFETY like those used on the BERETTA and SIG pistols. ALWAYS!
On the traditional CZ75, you do not have this option.
If it has not happened to you, that does not mean it cannot or will not happen.
Neither you or I know how much training or gun handling skill the OP has, so making an assumption is inappropriate.
I prefer to err on the side of caution.
Also, why would you engage a safety on a gun and leave it on if the weapon is double action and is to be holstered. I have heard of a few agencies that do it for gun retention purposes and personally knew one LEO who did it, but the vast majority of people using traditional double action handguns like the BERETTA 92F, use the safety to drop the hammer and then flip it off. I prefer the D model double action only or G model hammer dropping lever (non manual safety).
Jim
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I have 3 9mm's. 2 are for conceal carry, but if you want something to sling lead at paper targets, I've got a Springfied XD9 tactical with 5" barrel. Perfect trigger pull, very light for it's (i've carried in my IWB and had no problem) and the most accurate gun i have.
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Having shot all on your list minus the XDM I would still take the CZ even if all the other were 200 bucks cheaper.
Not that they aren't all fine weapons I just find the CZ to be far superior to me.
For the price I would pick the SR9 second, only shot this gun twice but enjoyed it both times.
Not that they aren't all fine weapons I just find the CZ to be far superior to me.
For the price I would pick the SR9 second, only shot this gun twice but enjoyed it both times.
I have carried both of my Colt 1911's before frequently, I used to carry cocked and locked, then I would rack one drop the hammer safely, and refill my mag to have a total of 9. When I drew I would cock the hammer and fire or cock and be ready to shoot or engage safety and lower weapon. No formal training I am drawing on 20 year old firearms course in the good state of NY. I like a decocker, could be personal preference could be years of hearing people telling me I was nuts carrying cocked and locked (I always thought that was safer but there is a whole debate on that). Once the holiday passes, daddy will reward all his hard work with a new nine.
Jim,
I thought you were incorrectly saying CZ didn't make any decocker pistol while many of the CZ models are either decocker or have the option by the user to make it a decocker. I didn't mean that your opinion on manual decocking was wrong. I don't think it is unsafe, you do. Just differing opinions. Sorry if I wasn't clear initially.
I do use the Beretta's safety as a decocker only, but also will manually decock the pistol with no issues.
I thought you were incorrectly saying CZ didn't make any decocker pistol while many of the CZ models are either decocker or have the option by the user to make it a decocker. I didn't mean that your opinion on manual decocking was wrong. I don't think it is unsafe, you do. Just differing opinions. Sorry if I wasn't clear initially.
I do use the Beretta's safety as a decocker only, but also will manually decock the pistol with no issues.
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I vote for the CZ-75 Stainless.
TanklessPro
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Of your list ......the XDm. If you are still considering others, you may want to look at the PPQm2.
Sour Kraut
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Springfield XDm or XD in various configurations. Excellent quality and accurate shooters. I own Glocks and Sigs but prefer my XD Compact and Sub Compacts for carry and HD. YMMV.
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I like the Beretta 92, but don't dig the Inox. It's the type of gun that a Russian mob hitman would choose IMO.
I carry the Sig P250sc in 9mm. When I first got this gun I hated it. It felt too big, long trigger pull, too heave etc. then I started to carry it, and carry it, and carry it. The more I carried it, the more I liked. It is amazingly accurate, carries 12+1 and now is my EDC. She grew on me and I love her! I do have several other carry pistols, as well as a S&W 642, but the P250 replaces them all. Great gun.
Don't discount it.
Don't discount it.
xfyrfiter
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I own the SR9, and after removing the mag safety and polishing the trigger bar, has a very nice, if long 4# trigger. And with all the safetys built in I ignore the thumb safety or use it like the 1911 it Is in the same place. So far very accurate and reliable.
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PILOT,
Then MEA CULPA.
My opinion of manually dropping the hammer comes from experience. I lowered the hammer on a non-hammer dropping pistol and the hammer slipped and the gun fired. Fortunately, I was doing everything else right and the shot went down range as I pointed it in a safe direction. Once was enough for me.
Also, after 22 years in law enforcement, you may find that your faith in your fellow officer to handle this task lacking as I have. Let's not even discuss the people who have never had any formal training.
I have personally seen 4 unintended discharges. Hammer dropping would have eliminated only 1 of those 4, common sense would have taken care of the other 3.
I vote for safety. Many years ago, when I was attending FLETC (FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING CENTER), an instructor told us of one of the best known gun writers in the U.S., who worked for my agency.
One day, he was cleaning his revolver and then decided to dry fire it. He somehow forgot he reloaded at least one round and killed another officer. Pointless, but it is why I push reasonable safety measures and equipment.
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO EVERYONE!
Jim
PILOT,
Then MEA CULPA.
My opinion of manually dropping the hammer comes from experience. I lowered the hammer on a non-hammer dropping pistol and the hammer slipped and the gun fired. Fortunately, I was doing everything else right and the shot went down range as I pointed it in a safe direction. Once was enough for me.
Also, after 22 years in law enforcement, you may find that your faith in your fellow officer to handle this task lacking as I have. Let's not even discuss the people who have never had any formal training.
I have personally seen 4 unintended discharges. Hammer dropping would have eliminated only 1 of those 4, common sense would have taken care of the other 3.
I vote for safety. Many years ago, when I was attending FLETC (FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING CENTER), an instructor told us of one of the best known gun writers in the U.S., who worked for my agency.
One day, he was cleaning his revolver and then decided to dry fire it. He somehow forgot he reloaded at least one round and killed another officer. Pointless, but it is why I push reasonable safety measures and equipment.
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO EVERYONE!
Jim
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Grip a CZ 75 and never look back 
BlindJustice
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I have a S&W 1911 full size .45 ACP
& a S&W 625 5" Bbl. .45 ACP and got
a 9x19 for less cost at the range alternative
CZ 75B DA/SA but you can carry it Condition one,
DA first shot is manually lowering the hammer
Very accurate, uber reliable and the
trigger reset on SA is easy to adapt to.
American Made?
70 series Colt Commander
3rd Gen S&W 39.2 3913 and
the Double Stack 59 and those that followed.
FNH Made in USA - Virginia
FNX-9 17+1 about the size of a 'fat' Commander
width is 1.55"
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& a S&W 625 5" Bbl. .45 ACP and got
a 9x19 for less cost at the range alternative
CZ 75B DA/SA but you can carry it Condition one,
DA first shot is manually lowering the hammer
Very accurate, uber reliable and the
trigger reset on SA is easy to adapt to.
American Made?
70 series Colt Commander
3rd Gen S&W 39.2 3913 and
the Double Stack 59 and those that followed.
FNH Made in USA - Virginia
FNX-9 17+1 about the size of a 'fat' Commander
width is 1.55"
R-
sauer1911
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Well is your head spinning enough???
Lots of good input, and information.
Now, just get the Sig.
be safe, Happy New Year.
Lots of good input, and information.
Now, just get the Sig.
be safe, Happy New Year.
@sauer1911. LOL yes it is, just when I think I've made a solid decision, I find something else to dwell on. I though the FNH FNX was gonna be it but, I keep reading some bad things about the design. Stupid stuff like the backstrap clips breaking and other odds and ends. So the FNX is OUT. I went and ran 50 rounds thru my 1911 (Colt Gov't) and what can I say I love that damn gun. It makes me look like a good shot, and it's a damn good looking gun. The CZ looks awesome also! But the XDM 9 with all its bells and whistles included looks tempting. With that said hear me out guys, my 1911 doesn't seem to change like a car every model year (I am a mechanic by the way) the XD then the XDM and all the other polymer frame guns are like cars to me they make slight improvements every year or so. 19 rounds seems awesome but I will always seems to gravitate towards a model that has been around for a while. So I'm back on the Beretta 92, or the CZ 75 bandwagon. I'm sorry if I just insulted every poly frame owner out there. And the XDM fired damn sweet I must say.
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Ruger SR40C Compact ---Best Bang for your Buck on Reliability,Functions,and Price. You can go from full size to Compact either way its a great social gun for Business and a pleasure for a day at the range.
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cdb1
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Of the five mentioned I only own one: a CZ 75 SP-01 Tactical. I love it. I have read excellent reviews about RIA. I've finally decided to buy a .45 ACP and when funds are available will purchase a RIA Tactical.
I haven't fired all of the 9mm on your list, but recently fired the Beretta 92, a Glock 19 Gen4, and a Kahr (don't recall the model). I hated the Kahr recoil, liked the Beretta looks, (but it wasn't as accurate as the other 2 even shooting from a rest) and loved the Glock balance, recoil and accuracy. Based on this experience, I'm buying the Glock. AND I'm always shopping for a Browning HP.
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It's amazing how many recommendations you get for stuff not on your list. Anyhow, my favorites of what you have listed are the 92 and the XDm. Funny how a person can like 2 that are so different from each other. My favorite would be the Beretta. They're just fun to shoot, and I love the INOX finish. But I can shoot the XDm better than the beretta and it's fun too.
My choice would be 1.) Beretta 92 INOX, 2.) Springfield XDm.
My choice would be 1.) Beretta 92 INOX, 2.) Springfield XDm.
I had two of them until earlier this year. I ended up selling my two 92A1s and M9A1s because I like the balance of the non railed models better.
But the 92A1 was my favorite of the railed models to shoot. The gun also comes with three magazines instead of two. And, the front sight is dovetailed, so you can more easily change the sights.
But the 92A1 was my favorite of the railed models to shoot. The gun also comes with three magazines instead of two. And, the front sight is dovetailed, so you can more easily change the sights.
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