Last rights

[MikeInOr]

I live in the liberalized state of Oregon. If you haven't heard 3 of the 36 counties in Oregon have passed a bill outlawing 10+ round magazines for all the rest of us but there is a grandfather clause for existing high capacity mags. I have about a month to purchase high capacity guns and high capacity magazines before the law takes effect. After the law takes effect there will be an additional $65 gun purchase permit tax per gun on top of the $10 background check and a whole lot of headache to buy a new gun.

So what would you purchase with your 1 last month of constitutional rights before they are taken away from you?

I have been collecting for 30+ years so I am pretty well set. My bucket list has been pretty well filled and I really hadn't planned on buying any more guns. But now that I am faced with now or never this is my short list.

Ruger PC charger - I already own a Ruger PC carbine that I purchased before the charger came out but have always wanted a PC charger. I have a couple of the Glock 33rnd sticks and might pick up a 50 round drum.

KelTec CP33 - I do not currently own a good reliable .22lr pistol. I have an old Star with awful sites and on old Mark II that has never feed very reliably. It is either the CP33 or a Mark IV and I am really leaning towards the Keltec CP33 with a brace.

Kahr CM45 - I love my Kahr CM9 and I also love my XDs 3.3 in .45acp. The CM45 is lighter, smoother and smaller than the XDs which I think will make it a nicer carry gun than the XDs. Price is also pretty decent at $380. I had considered a CM40 which is the same size as the CM9 and a little smaller than the CM45 but similar in power to 45acp. I don't own any other 40 S&W, don't load them and really hate getting 40 brass mixed up with my 9mm range brass. So I think I am going to go with the CM45 since I already load for several .45acp pistols.

Diamondback DB9 Gen 4 - I currently own the Diamondback DB9 gen 3 and it is my most carried pistol. It is just the right size for pocket carry. For $270 I can pick up a Gen 4 with the +P capability and slide lock back. I think it is worth it. It will be one of my VERY few duplicate guns.

I will be placing my order through Sportsmans Warehouse and picking them all up at once with only a single $10 background check.

This is a portion of my current collection:

The only pistol that I have left off my short list is a XDM 3.8 in 10mm. I currently don't have a 10mm and so obviously don't load 10mm. I do own a XD mod 2 3.8" in .45 which is my nightstand / self defence gun. I think the XDM would be a little redundant and really kill my already overstretched budget.

I might drive 3+ hours each way to Cabellas to buy a Mini 14 Stainless Ranch that I have always wanted. I don't own a 5.56 semi-auto and have never cared for AR's. Interestingly Sportsmans warehouse no longer carries ANY .223 / 5.56 semi-autos.

 

[troy fairweather]

Bunch of ar lowers and mags,

 

[armoredman]

Ditto. Also, did I read the new law right that even with a permit you cannot carry a >10 round mag you legally own? Do you have to find 10 round mags for, say, your eCZellent P-01?

 

[D.B. Cooper]

I really hadn't planned on buying any more guns.

I think that's your answer right there. If you weren't already going to buy something, why buy it now?

In any event, I'm not familiar enough with some of the guns you listed to say much, other than I would go for quality over quantity, which, to me, means buy the Rugers. But it's a ban on over 10 round mags, (isn't it?) so the MK IV should remain legal (wouldn't it?)

I might drive 3+ hours each way to buy a Mini 14 Stainless Ranch that I have always wanted. I don't own a 5.56 semi-auto and have never cared for AR's.

Here I would say, yes, go buy the Mini14, If nothing else, buy a stripped lower receiver and as many 30 rd mags as you can afford and sit on them. If you never use it, you can always (well, not if they ban those too) sell it. But you'll always have a legally acquired AR15 lower upon which to build a complete gun later.

Hopefully, GOA takes these laws to task in short order. Good luck to you guys-it's as though your trapped in the occupied zone.

 

[JB111]

Lots of AR15 and AR10 lowers with as many magazines as you can afford.

 

[rust collector]

You have a good plan in place to ride out the storm. Everyone has different tastes in firearms, but the emphasis now would be on the ones most difficult to obtain in the near future. Whenever something is denied, it becomes more valuable. We will all work for a better future.

 

[kidneyboy]

So what would you purchase with your 1 last month of constitutional rights before they are taken away from you?

Property in a different state.
Otherwise I agree with D.B.Cooper.

 

[CDW4ME]

So what would you purchase with your 1 last month of constitutional rights before they are taken away from you?

This is a portion of my current collection:
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Looking at that pic, I'd be buying Glocks, 20SF (10mm), 21SF (45 acp) and/ or Glock 22 (40) are some possible options given your preference for 45 and interest in 10mm.
You can always buy low cap (10 rds and less) stuff later

 

[Armored farmer]

I would but a pistol that accepts both 10rd and higher cap mags.
My sr9c is 10rd/17rd
The Hellcat is 10/15 mags.
I most definitely would buy an AR pistol 10.5" and a half dozen 60rd mags just because it's an investment in liberty and a handy thing to have when the government starts running the people instead of the other way around. (It's in my state too).

 

[FL-NC]

So what would you purchase with your 1 last month of constitutional rights before they are taken away from you?

A one way moving truck rental to Idaho.

 

[Pat Riot]

@MikeInOr
I do not know the exact wording of the new Oregon law, but I would bet it emulates CA law regarding mag limits. Having lived in Oregon for 5 years from 2013-2018 then moving back to Kaleepornia, yes I said back, I feel for you. You basically did the same thing without moving.

Anyway, the California law reads that any high capacity mag modified to only hold 10 rounds and is not “readily convertible” back to its original capacity, or something along those lines.
I would research both state’s laws and if similar you might consider doing something like using pop rivets in standard capacity mags to limit them to 10 rounds. This is perfectly legal in CA. I bought my riveted mags at Rifle Supply in Huntington Beach, CA.
You may even wish to call them to ask what size rivets they use.
https://riflesupply.com/

https://riflesupply.com/crm.asp?action=contactus

 

[earlthegoat2]

Gas to drive away from there…

If you want to most capitalize on the mag ban you need to be buying 9mm large frame handguns and not 45 compacts.

Lowers and 30 rounders
Glock 9mm and many full (17) and high cap (32) mags

Or just large capacity mags and no additional guns.

 

[Will Munny]

Part of me thinks the answer of leaving places when they go south on 2A rights is not a good strategy in the long haul. That seems to trend towards a future where rights are eliminated nationwide one state at a time.

 

[GEM]

Consider, hopefully, that current cases Scotus remanded will eliminate such hideous laws, then you may be stuck with items of diminished value. I'd buy items to be controlled that I might actually use.

When the first AWB sunsetted, I bought a slew of 10 round Glock 19 and 17 mags that were then rock bottom in price and dumped. When state bans came about again, BAH, I had a good deal of compliant mags. I bought them specifically for ease in competitions where 10 rounds was the specified loads in some divisions.

The OR law is terrible. Used to be one of my home states. I see more and more such bans unless Scotus acts - which I'm not sanguine about. Bruen was supposedly wonderful but it's hammered NYS with the CCIA counterpunch and an unknowable time scale to overturn that, if ever.

 

[MikeInOr]

@MikeInOr
I do not know the exact wording of the new Oregon law, but I would bet it emulates CA law regarding mag limits. Having lived in Oregon for 5 years from 2013-2018 then moving back to Kaleepornia, yes I said back, I feel for you. You basically did the same thing without moving.

Oregon has an initiative system where anyone that is willing to pay to have the proper number of signatures collected can write their own ballot measure and have it put on the ballot which is what happened in this case. So the ballot measure reads like it was written by a 6th grader and was obviously written by someone that knows absolutely nothing about guns.

The synopsys that appears in the voters pamphlet says all 10 round magazines are banned. According to a friend (I haven't found it myself, or looked very hard) there is a grandfather clause in the actual measure text where 10+ magazines can kept and taken to and from the range as long as they are separate from the firearm.

Buying a gun is made much more complicated in that you have to pass a live fire qualification before you can get a $65 per gun purchase permit. Of course this pretty much precludes anyone that doesn't currently own a gun from taking a live fire qualification.

Then there is the Lynn county sheriff who I will quote:

Linn County Sheriff Michelle Duncan said that part is a non-starter in her mid-Willamette Valley community.

Linn County Sheriff Michelle Duncan said “I want to send a clear message,” she wrote in a statement posted on Facebook on Wednesday, the day after the election. “The Sheriff’s office is not going to be enforcing magazine capacity limits.” “There is absolutely no way my sheriff’s office would ever arrest someone for this crime.”

So there is a buy them while you can attitude around magazines right now. Very similar to the Clinton magazine ban of my youth.

P.S. Great information on modifying high capacity magazines if it come to that! Thank you!

 

[MikeInOr]

Packing up and moving from my home of the past 30 years is a lot easier to say than it is to actually do. It would also be just giving my state to the infernal Kalifornians! Moving is not on the table at this time. I do live in a very gun friendly area of Oregon (Central Oregon).

 

[MikeInOr]

I have never really cared for AR's so I pretty much know absolutely nothing about them! I might consider purchasing one but I wouldn't know a quality AR from a piece of junk. Are Anderson receivers quality? How about PSA, DiamondBack, Ruger and S&W?

If I were to pick up some AR magazines to stash until I actually purchase an AR what magazines would an AR aficionado reccomend purchasing?

I also considered purchasing some 80% lowers just to have around as there is nothing in the law about them. I have a Bridgeport clone and believe I could easily finish them myself with a proper jig. Who sells a quality 80% lower these days?

I have always liked the idea of the Tavor X95 although I have never held of shot one. They are kind of pricey for something that isn't really high on my want list though.

 

[MikeInOr]

Gas to drive away from there…

If you want to most capitalize on the mag ban you need to be buying 9mm large frame handguns and not 45 compacts.

Lowers and 30 rounders
Glock 9mm and many full (17) and high cap (32) mags

Importation, buying and selling is prohibited. So it isn't like the Clinton days when I swapped a Ruger P85 with 6 hicap mags for a Beretta 92 INOX with 2 high capacity mags and the gun store was overjoyed with the trade! I am not really looking to cash in on the situation anyways. Just pick up some gun stuff that I would like to own. (I still own and love my 92 INOX!)

I can see using and carrying a 45 compact, specifically the Kahr. I don't have any need for more high capacity 9mm's. I prefer 1911's for range guns and have several. I recently picked up a RIA 1911 high capacity 9mm/22tcm which has been on my bucket list. I have 3 magazines for it which is really enough for my range use. This RIA has diminished my want for a nice 2011 in 9mm.

I don't really like Glocks. They just aren't comfortable for me. Buying a Glock would be buying a safe queen for me. I do have several Glock 17rnd and 33rnd magazines for my Ruger PC Carbine. I just don't have any pistols that take Glock magazines. I don't really feel the need for one either. I might pick up one if I found one in the XDM format I prefer.

I am sitting on 20 HK steel G3 magazines and 20 HK aluminum G3 magazines for my HK91. I picked them up when the German government was dumping them and paid a few dollars each. I suppose now it the time to sell them since I have more than I could ever use.

Or just large capacity mags and no additional guns.

There is going to be a $65 tax per gun on every gun transfer + the $10 background check + a big hassle. This actually makes some of the cheaper guns more of a deal to buy right now than the more expensive guns. I.e. I carry my cheap DB9 gen 3 almost every day. Picking up a gen 4 DB9 for $270 makes sense as I can't see paying $340 for one. Especially since I know I would use the gen 4 DB9. The economics on the Kahr CM45 are similar.

P.S. I asked everyone what THEY would do and I appreciate the answers! I am just explaining my thinking and not in the least saying what someone else would do is in any way wrong! Understanding what others think and why helps refine my thinking!

 

[Dudedog]

Duncan vs Bonata has been sent from SCOTUS back to the District court here in CA.
(Edit: SCOTUS sent it back to the 9th which sent it back to the District court)
If we win in the District court the state is likely to appeal to the 9th.
If we win in the 9th I believe the decision in the 9th would effect the 10 round law in Oregon.
If we lose in the 9th it will try to be taken back to SCOTUS.

OP So maybe instead of bashing everybody in California you should be happy some of us here are fighting CAs ban which might help you.
Nice that some of us in CA are giving money to help fight our ban which might help Oregon,
Maybe people in Oregon should look into Duncan vs Bonata and pony up some money to help.

 

[epags]

My policy is to buy a second one of every firearm I own or enough spare parts to replace any broken/worn parts... excluding frames/stocks.

 

[Y-T71]

I don't have anything constructive to say, in fact, what I do have on my mind is definitely better kept to myself, with this one exception: that this largely
Laissez faire attitude of acceptance is a tangible part of why we are where we are as a nation.

Having said that, I do, sincerely, wish you all the luck I can muster in your situation!

 

[Cacas ex Fortuna]

The commies are trying to outlaw everything before TSHTF.
The girls all have ARs, and they all have 20 & 30rd mags.
As far as I am concerned, the AR was NEVER had a 10rd mag, and asking me to put something in my girls ARs, is
altering the firearm. Sorry State of confusion, Im sticking with what is made for them.
CYA all in court

 

[Mark_Mark]

50 Anderson strip lowers
300 On Sale MagPul mix mags

and

50 more Anderson strip lowers

 

[MikeInOr]

50 Anderson strip lowers
300 On Sale MagPul mix mags

and

50 more Anderson strip lowers

Magpull AR mags and Anderson stripped lowers are quality pieces?

Cabela's is selling CMMG stripped lowers for $100. Is that a quality lower?

P.S. Sportsmans warehouse actually carries a good selection of stripped lowers. I am surprised because they don't carry any semi-auto .223 / 5.56 rifles or carbines. I will pick up a few Anderson lowers with the rest of my gun order. They are only 20 minutes away from me where Cabela's is a few hours drive.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Magpull AR mags and Anderson stripped lowers are quality pieces?

Cabela's is selling CMMG stripped lowers for $100. Is that a quality lower?

P.S. Sportsmans warehouse actually carries a good selection of stripped lowers. I am surprised because they don't carry any semi-auto .223 / 5.56 rifles or carbines. I will pick up a few Anderson lowers with the rest of my gun order. They are only 20 minutes away from me where Cabela's is a few hours drive.

I have Anderson on my .223 to .50 Beowolf and it’s like $50 a pop!!!