If you work at, or know of, a LE agency that uses Sig P227 and/or Sig P220 duty pistols shoot me a PM. I may be able to donate spare parts to the armorers there. My agency went to Glocks, we are unlikely to go back, and I'm sitting on a bunch of spare parts for Sigs that we don't need. Thanks
LE Agency Using Sig Firearms
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LiveLife
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Might also want to post in "Gunsmithing and Repairs" subcategory - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?forums/gunsmithing-and-repairs.16/
And in "Pay It Forward - Part III" thread under "Buy, Sell and Trade: Accessories, Parts, and Ammo" subcategory - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/pay-it-forward-part-iii-earth.551224/page-15
Thank you for your generosity and spreading of goodwill to mankind.
And in "Pay It Forward - Part III" thread under "Buy, Sell and Trade: Accessories, Parts, and Ammo" subcategory - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/pay-it-forward-part-iii-earth.551224/page-15
Thank you for your generosity and spreading of goodwill to mankind.
Miami_JBT
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P227s.... man, I don't know anyone using 'em. As for P220s, maybe you have a few holdouts in yhe backwoods. But I think the era of the single stack .45 ACP DA/SA is long gone.
The P227 was a dud of a gun. Pennsylvania State Police dropped 'em faster than they ditched their .45 GAPs.
Best bet is have your agency sell the parts to someone like Numrich.
dh1633pm
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Love my P227. Not too sure how many LE's are still using it if any.
Riomouse911
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I retired last year, but I can’t think of any agency in SoCal issuing either of those SIG’s anymore. 
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Stay safe.
Thanks for the all the replies. Yeah I'm tracking that this is kind of a long shot. The P227 was a flop. Many folks loved the P220s (me included), but it's rare to issue .45acp anymore, and even more rare that it be in a DA/SA pistol (though I actually like them for duty weapons, but you have to train to it).
Miami, that's probably what we will do if I can't find any agency to donate the parts to. We MIGHT get a couple hundred bucks that route, so it's barely worth the trouble. But it's also a waste of tax dollars to just throw the parts out, too, so gonna try and get a little something for them if we can't donate them.
Miami, that's probably what we will do if I can't find any agency to donate the parts to. We MIGHT get a couple hundred bucks that route, so it's barely worth the trouble. But it's also a waste of tax dollars to just throw the parts out, too, so gonna try and get a little something for them if we can't donate them.
Heir Kommt Die Sonne
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I like the p227, dont know why it flopped. Unless people didn't like the polymer frame. Can I buy a set of parts off you, enough for 1 pistol?
If they were mine personally I would be happy to give you parts. Alas, the parts are owned by my Agency and not mine to sell out individually, we would have to follow standard government agency GAP rules for disposing of them.
As for why the P227 flopped... there were actually some trade-offs for those 2 extra rounds over the P220 (and that 10th round requires near herculean finger strength to force in the mag). At my department, that grip stippling was universally loathed. Our qualification scores went down, and Officers complained that it was more difficult to shoot the P227 well. I personally didn't have this issue... but many complained about it. Also the magazines were a weird dimension, so it was difficult to find open-top mag holders with adequate friction tension to keep spare mags on the duty belt. We had to settle with generic mag pouches with a button flap, which we are trying to get away from. All of this added up, and the consensus was that everyone liked the P220 better. Finally, Glock and 9mm's conquest of the LE market is nigh complete now. Most of the holdouts have finally converted. And honestly it's really hard to argue that there is a better duty pistol than a G17, G19, or G45 in 9mm. Remember LE agencies must look at ease and expense of maintenance, a need for "one size fits all," and other considerations that apply less to individual gun owners.
Miami_JBT
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The P227 was an aluminum framed pistol. It was simply a double stack P220.
Jim Watson
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The department here went all-Glock. There was a sizable minority of Sigs and some SWAT 1911s but they are all gone now. Earlier I bought a P225 that a copchick had picked for its grip size, but she could not manage the crunch tick and traded it for a Glock.
Miami_JBT
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The P227 also had failure to feed issues and crapped the bed with the PSP from what I heard. It caused them to go to Walther.
I know the PSP prior to the P227 went from revolvers to the Beretta 96 in .40 S&W, then replaced those with third generation GLOCK 37s in .45 GAP, then the Gen 4 GLOCK 21 in 45 ACP. The G21s had some issues so the PSP went to the P227 since they had a stockpile of .45 ACP. But between the magazine issues and SIG just outright dropping support for the gun, and the end of the metal framed/hammer fired duty pistol. They went with Walther in 9mm.
^Miami we did not experience any major malfunction issues other than the slide would fail to lock open when empty for many Officers. We know this was an issue with the grip/thumb placement near the slide stop lever. My theory was the mag spring didn't have much tension when empty and merely looking at the slide stop lever the wrong way would cause the slide to not lock back. Grip geometry could also add to this. I also want to say we may have had a few issues with the slide outrunning the magazine spring on the last round, but nothing widespread. I did not personally experience any of these issues when I was shooting, but did see it in other shooters. I did not notice any failure to feed, at least with ball ammo and Winchester Ranger duty ammo. A different HP profile on duty rounds may have given it fits though.
EDIT: Additionally, Glock "perfection" is in fact a misnomer. Glock pistols occasionally do have issues. Our local Sheriff's Department also issued the G21, and they fought some issues with them. Now almost every agency in my County issues a 9mm Glock, save the tiny 5-15 man agencies that has the Officer purchase their own gear. The 9mm Glocks are pretty hard to be as an issued duty weapon though.
EDIT: Additionally, Glock "perfection" is in fact a misnomer. Glock pistols occasionally do have issues. Our local Sheriff's Department also issued the G21, and they fought some issues with them. Now almost every agency in my County issues a 9mm Glock, save the tiny 5-15 man agencies that has the Officer purchase their own gear. The 9mm Glocks are pretty hard to be as an issued duty weapon though.
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Heir Kommt Die Sonne
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I didn't know it was aluminum always felt like polymer to me, must be the coating and lightness.
But yea interesting that many of us here quite like p227 but as a agency weapon it had a few quirks that just didn't mesh well with what they needed it to do.
I am quite fond of the Glock 21, to me it's the perfect duty weapon. It is one i'd willingly carry if given the choice.
But yea interesting that many of us here quite like p227 but as a agency weapon it had a few quirks that just didn't mesh well with what they needed it to do.
I am quite fond of the Glock 21, to me it's the perfect duty weapon. It is one i'd willingly carry if given the choice.
Old Dog
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Personally, I felt one reason the 227 didn't initially impress was its original issue with the E2 grips. Change out those to the more traditionally profiled SIG grips (like the below Hogue G10s), and the pistol feels like a whole new gun (I know some are fans of those "enhanced" grips but they suck for many sized hands and negate the comfortable SIG ergonomics).
This was also a factor of those ill-designed E2 grips -- the "hump" at the top forced one to either place the strong side thumb below the hump (which meant the hand was not as high up and on the beavertail) or over the hump, which meant the thumb was resting on the slide stop/slide release.
lemaymiami
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My agency was equipped with P229 in 40 cal - all those years ago. I thought they were outstanding... Your offer is very generous and hope some outfit can take advantage of it..
We are issued Glock 45s. I don't of anyone using Sigs here.
Miami_JBT
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I carried GLOCK my entire career and the only agency that issued SIG in my area was Miami Beach PD. They used P229s in .357 SIG. Even Miami-Dade PD ditched the P226R DOA and went with GLOCK. Everyone in South FL pretty much carried GLOCK.
