Hey guys i've been looking around on castboolits.com and I can't seem to find loads for lead .30-06 bullets. I'm wanting to use varget or IMR 4064 without gas checks, but other common powders would be cool. I'm wanting to use #1 whitetail 165 gr bullets from missouribullet.
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rcmodel
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I won't give you any specific loads.
But neither Varget or 4064 are going to work too well.
Looking at the Lyman #49 manual lead bullet loads and they all use faster powders then either of those.
Typically, Unique, Herco, 2400, SR-4756, IMR-4198, RX-7, and IMR-3031
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But neither Varget or 4064 are going to work too well.
Looking at the Lyman #49 manual lead bullet loads and they all use faster powders then either of those.
Typically, Unique, Herco, 2400, SR-4756, IMR-4198, RX-7, and IMR-3031
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ArchAngelCD
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That's good advice, use a faster powder and find the data in the Lyman manual. For additional data look to the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook 4th Edition.
The GMDR/Oregon Trail 30-06 data will probably work fine with that bullet. It's probably a good idea to buy a cast bullet manual, if you're going to load a lot of cast bullets.
http://www.gmdr.com/lever/lowveldata.htm
http://www.gmdr.com/lever/lowveldata.htm
LUCKYDAWG13
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why dont you want to use a G/C on your boolit
i use a 173gr G/C boolit in my 308 and i use 2400
and 4198 powders
i use a 173gr G/C boolit in my 308 and i use 2400
and 4198 powders
Jim Watson
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I loaded a 165 grain bevel base of a different brand but probably out of the same number mould as that. I got good accuracy with 12 grains of 700X. (Ed Harris' The Load is 13 grains of Red Dot and I figured 700X was a smidgen faster.)
I also had good shooting with 7 grains of 700X which is so soft as to make you just giggle when the .30-06 goes off. Be sure you get a bullet hole in the target every single time.
These bullets are bulk cast out of pistol alloy with pistol lube and will not stand heavy loads that you can shoot with linotype or heat treated arsenical alloy and a premium lube.
I also had good shooting with 7 grains of 700X which is so soft as to make you just giggle when the .30-06 goes off. Be sure you get a bullet hole in the target every single time.
These bullets are bulk cast out of pistol alloy with pistol lube and will not stand heavy loads that you can shoot with linotype or heat treated arsenical alloy and a premium lube.
plateshooter
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I use the Ed Harris load of 13 gr of Red Dot with a 180gr home cast bullet. It will hit water bottles at 100 yds all day at the local jug shoots. Haven't tried it on deer, but may try it on this years hog hunt.
I use unique, H414, and XMP 5744. The 5744 is probably the best. I usually run a 170 gr FNGC bullet at 2250 FPS with straight WW. That load is in the Lyman cast bullet manual.
If you are looking to create some of your own loads , look into getting the Lee 2nd Edition. There's a pretty good section on cast bullets in there.
If you are looking to create some of your own loads , look into getting the Lee 2nd Edition. There's a pretty good section on cast bullets in there.
Certaindeaf
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I use that load a lot too though with a 190 grain cast slug.
In my opinion, use AA5744. This powder was developed for smokeless loads in the big 45/120 cases. It gave me much lower extreme spreads in the 30-06 than IMR 4895. I expect IMR 4064 to act the same.
Personally, cast bullets are a pain. Takes one heck of a lot of work to get them to shoot straight. Plain based bullets shot awful for me, gas check better.
Maybe some day I will spend enough time and effort to get 2 MOA out of my cast bullets, but only if I am real bored.
Till then, I'll watch paint dry.
Personally, cast bullets are a pain. Takes one heck of a lot of work to get them to shoot straight. Plain based bullets shot awful for me, gas check better.
Maybe some day I will spend enough time and effort to get 2 MOA out of my cast bullets, but only if I am real bored.
Till then, I'll watch paint dry.
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[B][SIZE="3"]M1903A3 Remington two groove barrel[/B]
205 gr .310" sized 311299 mold Gas Check
25.0 grs AA5744 WLR PS74 OAL 3.290"
11-Sep-06 T = 90 °F
Ave Vel = 1738
Std Dev = 21
ES = 59
High = 1770
Low = 1711
N = 10
205 gr .310" sized 311299 mold Gas Check
28.5 grs PATS 4895 Lot 7776 washed WLR PS74 OAL 3.290"
11-Sep-06 T = 90 °F
Ave Vel = 1687
Std Dev = 51
ES = 186
High = 1753
Low = 1567
N = 13
Stayed within black. Elevation required 450 yards. [/SIZE]
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The best you can expect to do with a NON gas-checked bullet is about 1,400-1,500fps. You can go upwards of 2,200fps and still get accuracy with a gas-checked bullet from the '06.
My preferred powder for the '06 with cast bullets is #2400. I start at 20gr and work up to around 25.0gr. Where-ever accuracy starts to drop off, or where it shoots POI/POA at ~50yds.
Be really careful to avoid double charges by using loading blocks and double/tripple checking powder levels with a pen-light flashlight.
One over charge can ruin your day and rifle...
Up to ~15.0gr of Unique, or the mentioned 13.0gr of RedDot will work with the non-gaschecked bullets, but are really just short range plinking loads.
With some judicious loading, you can get good accuracy with H4895 up to the ~2,200fps level. Ditto the IMR4064, but don't exceed ~42.0gr or you'll get terrible leading and accuracy.
SR4759 and XMP5744 are also superlative "cast bullet" powders. But NOT IMR4756, A PISTOL POWDER....
My preferred powder for the '06 with cast bullets is #2400. I start at 20gr and work up to around 25.0gr. Where-ever accuracy starts to drop off, or where it shoots POI/POA at ~50yds.
Be really careful to avoid double charges by using loading blocks and double/tripple checking powder levels with a pen-light flashlight.
One over charge can ruin your day and rifle...
Up to ~15.0gr of Unique, or the mentioned 13.0gr of RedDot will work with the non-gaschecked bullets, but are really just short range plinking loads.
With some judicious loading, you can get good accuracy with H4895 up to the ~2,200fps level. Ditto the IMR4064, but don't exceed ~42.0gr or you'll get terrible leading and accuracy.
SR4759 and XMP5744 are also superlative "cast bullet" powders. But NOT IMR4756, A PISTOL POWDER....
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Centaur 1
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You can't go wrong using Trail Boss, it's what I use for unchecked lead bullets in rifle calibers. TB takes up so much volume that you can't overcharge a cartridge. In fact a full case won't drive a bullet fast enough to need a gas check. No worries about blowing up the rifle from an overcharge of fast pistol powder, and no leading because a rifle powder drove the bullet too fast. That's a win-win in my book. Trail Boss is no more expensive to use than any other powder. At first glance you'll notice that a bottle only holds 9 ounces of powder, but a bottle of TB is much cheaper. When you calculate the price per ounce the cost is right in line with all the others. The charge weight is similar to using Red Dot or Unique, and it uses half the weight of rifle powders like RL7.
Worse case scenario, if you absolutely hate Trail Boss you only bought 9 ounces instead of a full pound. But I've also found other uses for it that makes it indispensible to keep around. Low pressure calibers, older weapons that you want to be gentle with, and low recoil loads for children. Two examples are older handguns that I inherited. One gun is an H&R revolver in .32 S&W long, it's not a break top like some of the really old revolvers but just the same I'd rather not tempt fate by using hot handloads. I also have an absolutely gorgeous Colt Police Positive Special in .38 special that belonged to my grandfather. Before I got this gun I doubt more than one box of ammo had been shot through it. I want to keep this gun in pristine condition, and Trail Boss helps me do that. I use a Lee mold for the 105 grain swc bullet, and I load them over 4.5 grains of Trail Boss. This load is very easy on the gun and it's very accurate.
Worse case scenario, if you absolutely hate Trail Boss you only bought 9 ounces instead of a full pound. But I've also found other uses for it that makes it indispensible to keep around. Low pressure calibers, older weapons that you want to be gentle with, and low recoil loads for children. Two examples are older handguns that I inherited. One gun is an H&R revolver in .32 S&W long, it's not a break top like some of the really old revolvers but just the same I'd rather not tempt fate by using hot handloads. I also have an absolutely gorgeous Colt Police Positive Special in .38 special that belonged to my grandfather. Before I got this gun I doubt more than one box of ammo had been shot through it. I want to keep this gun in pristine condition, and Trail Boss helps me do that. I use a Lee mold for the 105 grain swc bullet, and I load them over 4.5 grains of Trail Boss. This load is very easy on the gun and it's very accurate.
35 Whelen
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Two powders: Red Dot & AL2400. Red Dot, start with 11.0 and work up. 13.0 is a universal load and has shot wonderfully in many of my .30 caliber rifles. 13.0 grs. will yield 1500-1600 in my experience.
With 2400 start around 14.0 and work up. I loaded a 180 gr. flat point, gas checked bullet in one of my 03A3's with 24.0 grs. of 2400 and got a hair over 2000 fps and 2" or so 100 yd. groups with the issue sights. After a half dozen shots or so, there'd be a slight haze of lead in the bore, but who cares? It's a hunting load.
Don't let people tell you a plain-base bullet will lead at XYZ velocity. It just ain't so. Leading has far more to do with pressure of the load, fit of the bullet in the barrel, and the condition of the barrel than velocity.
35W
With 2400 start around 14.0 and work up. I loaded a 180 gr. flat point, gas checked bullet in one of my 03A3's with 24.0 grs. of 2400 and got a hair over 2000 fps and 2" or so 100 yd. groups with the issue sights. After a half dozen shots or so, there'd be a slight haze of lead in the bore, but who cares? It's a hunting load.
Don't let people tell you a plain-base bullet will lead at XYZ velocity. It just ain't so. Leading has far more to do with pressure of the load, fit of the bullet in the barrel, and the condition of the barrel than velocity.
35W
Used to shoot in a cast bullet club...postal matches. My " winning" load was a sized, trimmed, neck reamed lake city case, 24 grains of imr4198, a tuft of kapok, and a Linotype, heat treated Lyman 311291 sized to .308 with a hornady gas check. In my 1952 model 70 it will do honest moa at 100 yards if I'm on my game. Oh yeah, the lube was javelina Alex/ beeswax.
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