Lead versus hi tek coated loads?

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Those of you who have gone to using coated lead bullets from plain cast, did you change anything in your load? I am thinking about opting for his tek coated versions of my chosen 38 ,bullet when I next order from Missouri since less mess and smoke would be very desirable, but I am a little leery of messing with success. Anything else I should know about coated bullets?
 
I used the same data as uncoated. There was no downside. The upside was a very clean bore. I have a. 357 revolver that I have intentionally not cleaned since using coated. I have shot over 3k so far. The bore is still amazingly clean.
 
My reading suggests that coated can also be driven really fast, so these might be dual use for 357 mag loads as well as light 38s.
 
Hmm, wonder if I could use the pugnose variant in my 35 rem?

YMMV but my Marlin 336 with micro groove rifling (1959 manufacture, I believe) has too short a throat to use the Pugnose, at least when crimping at the lube groove. Jammed into the rifling and couldn't close the action. Same with the 180 gr RNFP bullet. I use the MBC coated 158 gr RNFP bullet but am only loading them to gallery load levels, running about 1500 fps over 10 gr Unique. I do like the Pugnose for replicating the HSM "Bear Loads" with H110 in my Rossi .357 Magnum.
 
YMMV but my Marlin 336 with micro groove rifling (1959 manufacture, I believe) has too short a throat to use the Pugnose, at least when crimping at the lube groove. Jammed into the rifling and couldn't close the action. Same with the 180 gr RNFP bullet. I use the MBC coated 158 gr RNFP bullet but am only loading them to gallery load levels, running about 1500 fps over 10 gr Unique. I do like the Pugnose for replicating the HSM "Bear Loads" with H110 in my Rossi .357 Magnum.

Thanks. I suspected that might be a problem with the 35. My 336 is a year older than yours, so I imagine I would be in the same boat. I will stop wondering about the Striker, etc. and just go with the 158 RNFPs for giggles loads

I have decided to play with the Sierra 158 gr JSP for a bear and pig load out of the rifle. No doubt I could use cast, but Since I am a newbie at all of this I figured I would try jacketed for the first time out when pushing velocities up there. I take it the pugnose has no leading issues when really driven (assuming we are talking about coated)?
 
If properly applied and used with a properly sized bullet for your bore, the coating will hold up past 2,600 FPS with no leading.
 
If properly applied and used with a properly sized bullet for your bore, the coating will hold up past 2,600 FPS with no leading.

Amazing. I guess the other question that comes to mind is terminal ballistics performance. If we are talking about a "tougher" critter like a bear or hog, what BHN is necessary to make sure the bullet stays in shape and does not either blow up or flatten and end in shallow penetration? 12? 18?
 
Thanks. I suspected that might be a problem with the 35. My 336 is a year older than yours, so I imagine I would be in the same boat. I will stop wondering about the Striker, etc. and just go with the 158 RNFPs for giggles loads

I have decided to play with the Sierra 158 gr JSP for a bear and pig load out of the rifle. No doubt I could use cast, but Since I am a newbie at all of this I figured I would try jacketed for the first time out when pushing velocities up there. I take it the pugnose has no leading issues when really driven (assuming we are talking about coated)?

I have been using the coated hard cast (18 Brinell) Ranger 158 gr RNFP to date. It seemed to make sense to use the harder bullet for the higher velocities. I find the groups start to open up quickly between 10 and 11 gr of Unique (I've since changed to Universal and the change happens between 11 and 12 gr or so in my rifle). I emailed MBC to see if I could get bullets sized to .359" and coated. They told me it was possible, but instead recommended I use the softer version of the bullet, Cowboy #15 with a hardness of 12 Brinell. The idea is that it would bump up easier and grab the rifling better and with the coating there should be no concern about leading. I'm still using up the first 500 but plan to try the Cowboy #15 when I reorder.

If I were going to use it for hunting, especially hogs or bear, I'd use a 200 gr JSP or the Hornady FTX bullet over LeveRevolution powder. I've loaded and shot some with the Speer JSP and they shoot well. Haven't tried the FTX for reloading but really like the Hornady factory ammo. Since the 158 gr pistol bullets are slightly smaller in diameter, they "might" suffer in the accuracy department, but I have no evidence to that effect. They also aren't necessarily built for full bore .35 Rem velocities. All this is part of the fun of rolling your own. Good luck.
 
I have been using the coated hard cast (18 Brinell) Ranger 158 gr RNFP to date. It seemed to make sense to use the harder bullet for the higher velocities. I find the groups start to open up quickly between 10 and 11 gr of Unique (I've since changed to Universal and the change happens between 11 and 12 gr or so in my rifle). I emailed MBC to see if I could get bullets sized to .359" and coated. They told me it was possible, but instead recommended I use the softer version of the bullet, Cowboy #15 with a hardness of 12 Brinell. The idea is that it would bump up easier and grab the rifling better and with the coating there should be no concern about leading. I'm still using up the first 500 but plan to try the Cowboy #15 when I reorder.

If I were going to use it for hunting, especially hogs or bear, I'd use a 200 gr JSP or the Hornady FTX bullet over LeveRevolution powder. I've loaded and shot some with the Speer JSP and they shoot well. Haven't tried the FTX for reloading but really like the Hornady factory ammo. Since the 158 gr pistol bullets are slightly smaller in diameter, they "might" suffer in the accuracy department, but I have no evidence to that effect. They also aren't necessarily built for full bore .35 Rem velocities. All this is part of the fun of rolling your own. Good luck.

Thanks. When I mentioned the Speer 158 in a rifle, I meant the 357 rifle. Until I figure out reloading bottle necked rifle cases for real, hunting with the 35 will be with factory Hornady fodder.

Using the Cowboy #15s is a great idea. The bullets should obturate better.
 
I have not changed the loads for cast bullets when using a coated bullet. I will tell you this, the coating is very tough. I pushed their 9mm coated bullet to over 1,200 fps and the coating did not fail. I didn't bother buying coated bullets for standard pressure .38 Special ammo but I'm sure they will he much cleaner.
 
I recently changed my 44 spl load from plain cast to coated. The exact same bullet from the same maker (SNS) just with different lube. I changed nothing else with the load. Neither the target nor the chrono have reported any measurable difference. The gun, however, does notice an improvement. It stays cleaner for longer.
 
Amazing. I guess the other question that comes to mind is terminal ballistics performance. If we are talking about a "tougher" critter like a bear or hog, what BHN is necessary to make sure the bullet stays in shape and does not either blow up or flatten and end in shallow penetration? 12? 18?
I can't personally answer your question regarding performance on live animals as I don't hunt. I can tell you that all bullets I tested and retained maintained their shape after punching through water. See here: https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/powder-coated-bullet-retention-test-pics.787043/ -
 
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