Legality of suppressor on air or CO2 gun?

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Anybody know how the NFA enforcers would deal with that?

On one hand, it's not a firearm. On the other hand, "constructive possession" would suggest that having a suppressor at all can get someone in legal trouble.

I'd like to suppress a 1000 FPS air rifle for pest control use. The thing is pretty loud, for a pellet gun.
 
any device capable of reducing a firearm discharge, by even one decibel for one shot, is subject to the strict regulations of the silencer laws, regardless of to what it is, or is not, attached. So, although BATF has no jurisdiction over airguns, they do have jurisdiction over devices which could be used on a firearm - and by that amazing federal definition, silencers are FIREARMS!


So, my bedroom pillow or soda bottle can be viewed as constructive possession?
 
IIRC, people have been convicted of making untaxed suppressors for sticking potatos on the barrels of their handguns.

Kharn
 
I used to moderate a popular forum about potato cannons, and the topic of spudgun suppressors came up frequently. Will you get caught? Probably never, but you should really wonder if it's worth it to even risk it.

I always just show them this ATF letter:
http://www.atf.gov/alcohol/info/revrule/rules/atf_ruling2005-4.pdf

From that letter, it appears that the act of cutting the paintball gun suppressor from the host and attaching it to a real firearm is the point at which the suppressor becomes an NFA item, meaning that you could legally make a paintball suppressor without it being itself NFA regulated. Still, I wouldn't put it past the ATF to charge constructive possession if you also had a hacksaw in your garage... I just don't think it's worth the risk.
 
ya can argue all ya want that its just for an airgun but unless it is a dedicated shrouded barrel for the airgun you are breakin the law. The only problem area is when making the pieces for the shrouded barrel they could potentially be called supressor parts for a firearm suppressor and get you in trouble also.

You could buy a registered muzzle can and mount it legally on an airgun if legal in your state.
 
Perhaps not regulated if it is an integral suppressor (permanently part of the airgun; not removeable). Gamo sells airguns which come with some sort of integral suppressor, or "noise reducing device" as they call it. They are not considered NFA items as far as I know.

http://www.gamousa.com/Catalog.aspx?Product=259
 
If the suppressor is unique to the air rifle, and cannot - note, cannot - be readily converted to firearm use, it's legal.

If it can be readily removed from the air rifle and attached to a firearm - even with duct tape and chewing gum - you may be in for some trouble.

Gamo and others make air rifles with suppressors built into the barrel integrally, and BSA had an air pistol which partially muffled the report by extending the barrel shroud over the actual muzzle perfectly legal, because they are NOT readily adaptable to firearms.

tallpaul said:
The only problem area is when making the pieces for the shrouded barrel they could potentially be called supressor parts for a firearm suppressor and get you in trouble also.
ONE baffle is regarded by the BATmen as being a silencer. (If they're consistent, they'll be busting Home Depot any day now for stocking silencer parts, i.e., fender washers.)
 
The article on Beeman's net seems pretty definitive. Those who don't think a suppressor on an air gun falls under the NFA, can find out easily. Just put your favorite suppressor on your air gun, waltz into the BATFE office at the Federal Building, throw it on the desk, and dare them to do anything about it.

You will get an immediate answer, which you can then pass on to all the other folks who think air gun suppressors are legal.

Jim
 
They are both legal and illegal.

They are legal on airguns, however anything that can be used on a firearm, even if it only lasts one shot is a silencer.

any device capable of reducing a firearm discharge, by even one decibel for one shot, is subject to the strict regulations of the silencer laws, regardless of to what it is, or is not, attached.
1db is next to nothing, simply putting a longer barrel on a firearm reduces the report by more than that. That means anything they say is a "silencer" is a silencer, because absolutely anything attached to a firearm, even a longer barrel or empty tube would reduce it by at least 1 db.

However the definition of them in law is one used for a firearm to reduce the report. An airgun is not a firearm. Ironicly that also means the ATF has no jurisdiction over them, meaning they also can't rule they are acceptable either. They only have jurisdiction if it is a firearm or firearm supressor, at which point it is illegal anyways (without NFA process.)

People say they are legal, because they are in fact legal for use on airguns. However if the ATF declares one illegal in your possession it at that moment becomes a firearm supressor and is illegal for all intent and purposes. It will reduce the muzzle report on a firearm by at least one decibel for at least one shot, even an empty cylinder would do that.

Much of the airgun community consensus is that integral suppressors built into the design are less grey area than removable or attached accessory ones.

I will repeat EVEN A LONGER BARREL (Chart below to demonstrate, the report on most firearms change by a few decibels just by adding or subtracting a couple inches of barrel) OR EMPTY CYLINDER WOULD REDUCE THE REPORT OF A FIREARM BY 1 decibel, so of course something actualy designed to deflect and reduce sound will do that.
In fact that is how the "quiet gun" is quiet without a suppressor, it just has a very long barrel. So even just a barrel extension could be ruled a "silencer" if the ATF chose, or one of those fake suppressors just for looks that are hollow tubes. So you better believe an actual suppressor (for an airgun) even if made out of tissue paper that would burst into flames the first time you used it can be ruled a supressor. It would reduce the report of the firearm by at least one decibel for at least one shot.
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The quiet gun (shotgun), has a dramaticly reduced report just through use of a very long barrel.

Here is a chart I grabbed from http://www.freehearingtest.com/hia_gunfirenoise.shtml

Table 1. SHOTGUN NOISE DATA (DECIBEL AVERAGES)

.410 Bore 28" barrel 150dB
26" barrel 150.25dB
18 _" barrel 156.30dB

20 Gauge 28" barrel 152.50dB
22" barrel 154.75dB

12 Gauge 28" barrel 151.50dB
26" barrel 156.10dB
18 _" barrel 161.50dB

Notice a 28" barrel has 151.50 DB firing what is 156.10 decibels out of a barrel of 26" only 2" shorter. A difference of 4.6 decibels from 2 inches of length. So a hollow tube alone would qualify as a suppressor per ATF guidelines if it screwed on the end of the barrel and they chose to prosecute.

The difference in the decibel level can also be changed by adjusting the ammo fired if a conviction is desired (remember these are some of the same people that use custom tailored ultra soft primered ammuniton to convict on possession of a machinegun by getting it to discharge twice at least one time.)
Some ammunition will have a much greater decibel difference by even a small amount of length change than other ammunition. Custom tailored ammo could really highlight the difference.

That means you could convict someone of an illegal supressor for almost anything of any size that attached to the front of the firearm (or could be "readily adapted" to do so) and did not vent the gases out of the side like a muzzle break (which although it seems louder to the shooter because more gas exits the sides rather than the front, is close to the same decibel level as the firearm without the break, negating the usual slightly reduced report from additional barrel length.)
 
The ATF letter is pretty definitive. If it's permanantly attached to a non-firearm, it's legal under federal law. If it's not permanantly attached it is a firearm supressor and subject to the normal NFA restrictions for the reason that it could be used to reduce the report.

And Zoogster...as for a hollow tube, if it is of sufficient diameter, it changes the direction and tone of the sound. I would be surprised if a .22 lr with a bloop tube would be any softer in front of the muzzle than one without it.
 
The ATF deals with firearms laws & firearms suppressors, not air rifles.
It is perfectly legal on air rifles.

http://www.gamowhisper.com/

BTW: The "potato silencer" is an old wives tail.
It doesn't work!


rcmodel

Ignorence is bliss as is lies etc... the atf can/will as stated nail ya if an airgun silencer is capable of bein put on a real gun in any manor... the gamo you point to has an integral

the potato thing is not just a wives tale- it can work for a shot or two depending ...

any other misinformation you want to try to spread?
 
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