Legendary guns and guns that have a "cult" following
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lowerunit411
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seems also to be a division between the "tactical" guys and the "classics" guys as there is with the "military" vs "sporting" guys, or maybe this is just my perception
huntsman
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I think the whole magic of this gun is the price, everything else is just trying to justify the purchase
To me a gun that is legendary not only has to have a good reputation but a long duration and be made the old ways.
A cult requires sacrifice so should a cult gun either in alienation of oneself or in very high prices.
Loosedhorse
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Can't believe no one's mentioned...
the SIG 210, the Steyr AUG, Barrett 82A1 or the Benelli M1 Super 90!
(...and the Dillon M134D Minigun, if any of us could get at one!)
the SIG 210, the Steyr AUG, Barrett 82A1 or the Benelli M1 Super 90!
(...and the Dillon M134D Minigun, if any of us could get at one!)
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mokin
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Lotta good answers.
Where would one catagorize the M91/38 specifically C2766?
Where would one catagorize the M91/38 specifically C2766?
Nushif
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The first gun that came to mind that has a true "Cult" surrounding it is the 1911 and the Garand.
Next up would be something like an AK. That's a on a flag and has liberated more people than I dare to guess at, in some way or another.
Those things are nearly a religion. I mean, the Glock consumer base is pretty rabid and all, but to say they've built a religion around the technique, propriety et al of their gun is an overstatement. They arguably don't have their own division in competition.
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I guess I wouldn't measure "cult" in terms of how many people own it, but how much is pushes its weight around, and very few guns can claim to have rules made for them, classes tailored to their quirks, or competitions weighed in their favor more so than a 1911, or rather "the" low cap high caliber semi-auto which kinda looks like that pattern.
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Next up would be something like an AK. That's a on a flag and has liberated more people than I dare to guess at, in some way or another.
Those things are nearly a religion. I mean, the Glock consumer base is pretty rabid and all, but to say they've built a religion around the technique, propriety et al of their gun is an overstatement. They arguably don't have their own division in competition.
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I guess I wouldn't measure "cult" in terms of how many people own it, but how much is pushes its weight around, and very few guns can claim to have rules made for them, classes tailored to their quirks, or competitions weighed in their favor more so than a 1911, or rather "the" low cap high caliber semi-auto which kinda looks like that pattern.
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KodiakBeer
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You must be the only person outside of Alaska who knows what an Old Believer is!
Rail Driver
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You missed the 1911... That one is both a legend and a cult gun.
JohnnyK said:I am a member of the Kalashnikov Cult!The only long guns I own are an SKS, a Mosin-Nagant M44, a converted Saiga 7.62x39, and a (soon to be converted) Saiga 12, so I know where you're coming from.
I think the AR-15 could be considered a "Cult gun" but in my opinion it hasn't reached 'legend' status yet.
@KodiakBeer: I will admit I own a Glock, but I carry a Colt 1911 every day. The Glock stays in my nightstand drawer, hidden away with all my other dark secrets
KodiakBeer
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I was just commenting on the Old Believers (Rastolniki), a religious group with communities all over Alaska. Sort of like the Mennonites, only Russian.
Neo-Luddite
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I have drunk the M-1 and 1911 kool aid for years---but am starting to become a true believer in the largly unsung S&W mdl 10 and it's many varieties; they soldier on with such little fanfare and ask so little we scarce notice that they just keep going and going and are now in their 113 year of production. May my 1911a1 forgive me...
JohnBiltz
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I'm not saying you have to like it but it has been in active service nearly forty years. Fought in Vietnam, Panama, the Gulf and Afghanistan. It has been the service rifle for the longest war the US has ever fought and it isn't going anywhere anytime soon. In my opinion, I think its service life makes it a legend.
Carl N. Brown
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There is a small dedicated cult for the Savage 1899 lever-action in .250-3000. Plus in at least one James Bond story it was issued to oo7.
lowerunit411
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Ahhh...how did we forget the Savage 99....legend?...dont know...classic?...for sure
Carl N. Brown
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That belongs under a Notorious Guns thread.
Blind Dog Jake
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At one time I was in the Sako Vixen L461 cult.
Gunnerboy
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How could we all forget the everlasting Red Ryder bb gun?
It was the same thing when Mausers were $60. And SKS's. And.. on and on.
Whatever is the cheapest, hardest hitting rifle of any given time period will be all the rave.
It'll pass.
lowerunit411
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Trent...exactly thats why i classify them as "fad" weapons...time will tell if the make it to cult or legend status i suppose
Trent we have members here who hunt with the damn things and I appreciate that. Heck I'd take my old mauser into the woods in a heartbeat.
It's the 'my 60 dollar rifle and a spam can is better than everything ever made by the hand of man' attitude that I can't handle.
I am an admitted Colt snob. I am a firm beliver in surplus Eastern European stuff: from boots to bullets to blankets and beyond. I even have THREE FEG pistols.
I have become a proponent of the AR. And I already owned an AK. Does that make me a heretic? A convert? Evolved?
I don't know. I just know I LOVE to shoot the darn thing.
It's the 'my 60 dollar rifle and a spam can is better than everything ever made by the hand of man' attitude that I can't handle.
I am an admitted Colt snob. I am a firm beliver in surplus Eastern European stuff: from boots to bullets to blankets and beyond. I even have THREE FEG pistols.
I have become a proponent of the AR. And I already owned an AK. Does that make me a heretic? A convert? Evolved?
I don't know. I just know I LOVE to shoot the darn thing.
Gun Nerd
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The Smith & Wesson model 36 Chief's Special comes to mind. Legendary? I think so. A classic at the very least.
Anyone who has read Crime and Punishment should know what a 'rastolniki' is. The lead character Rodiya Rastolnikov translates to "Rodiya son of the Old Believer".
I thought it was a fitting metaphor for cults and guns. I used to speak a bit of Russian at one time.
I will add: the odd bunch of ducks that own Xp-100's. Very few remain chambered in .221 'fireball' but there it is.
I thought it was a fitting metaphor for cults and guns. I used to speak a bit of Russian at one time.
I will add: the odd bunch of ducks that own Xp-100's. Very few remain chambered in .221 'fireball' but there it is.
Fishslayer
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I've done a lot of reading on MoNags... read a lot of posts by a lot of owners...
I can honestly say I don't recall an owner saying they are "the penultimate do all be all for EVERY occasion."
Long history, fun to shoot, cheap to shoot... lots of stuff...
But never "the penultimate do all be all for EVERY occasion."
That's a K98 Mauser.
What I find interesting is the USA, thanks to our millions of civilian shooters and long tradition of buying all of the other guy's surplus stuff, have (rightfully) earned the place as the world's premier dumping ground for old surplus gear.
Also, because of the ravenous demand we have as a collective, there's always a solid financial incentive for importers to always find new and innovative ways to make good things land in our cabinets.
In no small way, I wish I'd been around when Mausers were cheap. I've heard old timers (no offense) talking about walking in to gun shops when there were barrels full of the things. Now I can't find a good quality one that costs less than a modern premium rifle. SKS's went up in value (substantially) when no one thought they would... Enfields, same thing.. Swiss rifles, same thing...
I imagine the Mosin Nagants, someday, will also substantially appreciate in value once supplies finally dry up.
Which brings me to a point - those guns are becoming more and more iconic of generations, than anything. The 1933 7mm Spanish Mauser I have is one example - my uncle Joe bought it when the things were cheap, took good care of it, and now it's become a family heirloom with no small story behind it.
So, make fun of the Mosin Nagants, or the Mausers, or the Enfields, or the SKS's...
Remember, someday those will be a valued sentimental piece that some youngster-not-yet-born inherits when he comes of age, and it will be appreciated - and used.
Also, because of the ravenous demand we have as a collective, there's always a solid financial incentive for importers to always find new and innovative ways to make good things land in our cabinets.
In no small way, I wish I'd been around when Mausers were cheap. I've heard old timers (no offense) talking about walking in to gun shops when there were barrels full of the things. Now I can't find a good quality one that costs less than a modern premium rifle. SKS's went up in value (substantially) when no one thought they would... Enfields, same thing.. Swiss rifles, same thing...
I imagine the Mosin Nagants, someday, will also substantially appreciate in value once supplies finally dry up.
Which brings me to a point - those guns are becoming more and more iconic of generations, than anything. The 1933 7mm Spanish Mauser I have is one example - my uncle Joe bought it when the things were cheap, took good care of it, and now it's become a family heirloom with no small story behind it.
So, make fun of the Mosin Nagants, or the Mausers, or the Enfields, or the SKS's...
Remember, someday those will be a valued sentimental piece that some youngster-not-yet-born inherits when he comes of age, and it will be appreciated - and used.
Fishslayer
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Priced an M38 or M44 lately?
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