Lengthening stock of 30 M1 Carbine

[trackskippy]

Well, if thats the case, their listed weight must REALLY be suspect! Or sucking that gut in makes them taller.

 

[Savage30L]

Ive never seen a "factory" stock with an LOP anywhere near that long. Even the current factory stocks with a recoil pad are right around 13" "without" the pad and around 14" with it.

Im having a hard time picturing what youre saying here on how you're shouldering the gun too. When the rifle is in your shoulder, is your head down on the stock and your cheek weld right there where the comb breaks into the grip? Why are you holding the rear of the stock up so high?

As I said earlier, I cannot put the butt into my shoulder and get a cheek weld. I mean normal mounting, I've been a shooter all of my life. The gun feels like a toy sized for a child. Even if I put the toe into the upper part of my shoulder, so I can get a cheek weld, my eye is still too high to line up with the sights. It's also a drop-at-comb and drop-at-heel issue, there isn't enough of either (which is one of the reasons why I got rid of my Ruger mini-30, and other guns).

 

[Savage30L]

Well, if thats the case, their listed weight must REALLY be suspect! Or sucking that gut in makes them taller.

No, actually, I found that nearly everyone, men and women both, is honest about his weight (to the extent that I could estimate weights visually). And women are honest about their heights. And men who actually are 6' tall or taller usually are honest about their heights, as well as very short men. It was men who were between, say, 5'5" and 5'11" (which is the bulk of them) who exaggerated.

 

[trackskippy]

LOL. If you say so.

 

[greyling22]

By the way, as an aside here, one thing I learned during my tenure as a sales clerk at Bud's (after looking at one form 4473 after another all day long), was that most men who are under 6' in height, exaggerate their heights by 2 or 3 inches when they self-report. Most men are not as tall as they claim to be. And by "most", I mean something like 95%. That was a real surprise to me.

i knew basketball players did, I didn't know run of the mill guys did too. that's funny.

 

[GRIZ22]

I cannot seat the butt into my shoulder and align the sights with my eye. The only way I can make the alignment is to hold the rifle a couple of inches out in front of me! The issue isn't only length of pull, it's also drop-at-heel. The gun was designed to fit someone who was about 5'4" tall, and I guess back then, a lot of men were. But people are taller nowadays.

My wife is about 5'2" or 5'3", so the gun will fit her, and I hope to use it to train her in shooting. I don't plan to alter the stock permanently, I just want to shoot about 200 rounds through it so I can have the brass for reloading.

Yeah but...you missed my point. I guarantee there were thousands of fighting personnel that used the M1 carbine effectively who had the same body dimensions as you.

 

[v8stang289]

Simplest thing would be to make some spacers to put between the stock and buttplate, especially if it's just temporary. Stack washers, wood etc. Someone with a 3D printer could make them easily.

That said, I'm 5' 10.2" per the Dr, and my son is 5' 11".
Neither of us has issue with the M1 carbine.
I was expecting you to be like 6' 8" or something like that

 

[Carl N. Brown]

[Joke]My height varies depending on shoes/no shoes/which shoes.
Back in the 1970s I had a pair of dingo boots that added at least 2 inches to my heighth. That didn't change the length of my arms.[/joke]

Length of pull 13 to 14 inches works for me.

I bought an M1 Carbine in the late 1980s (IBM 1943 with all Korean War era upgrades including a rough finish M2 stock) and glued the butt section from a rubber slip on recoil pad to the metal buttplate.

 

[RevolvingGarbage]

No, they aren't! They're all too short!

A good length of pull for me is 15" to 15 1/4", depending upon grip configuration, for a shotgun. I can make do with a little less on a rifle, but not with a 13" stock.

There's no way. I'm over 6 foot with long gorilla arms and not only can I shoulder an M1 Carbine just fine, but I can collapse an AR stock all the way down and run the charging handle right into my nose and shoot that way.

I submit that you have more of a issue with being able to properly rotate your shoulder to lift the gun up to your face, and you're therefore probably bringing your face down to the stock. I would be surprised if a longer stock is the answer your problem, but good luck figuring it out.

 

[Savage30L]

There's no way. I'm over 6 foot with long gorilla arms and not only can I shoulder an M1 Carbine just fine, but I can collapse an AR stock all the way down and run the charging handle right into my nose and shoot that way.

I submit that you have more of a issue with being able to properly rotate your shoulder to lift the gun up to your face, and you're therefore probably bringing your face down to the stock. I would be surprised if a longer stock is the answer your problem, but good luck figuring it out.

I have figured it out. I have arranged a number of my firearms to have lengths-of-pull in that range, and they fit me quite comfortably (at least, those with sufficient drop do).

Here is a good metric to estimate your proper length of pull: with your shooting arm down at your side, raise your forearm up to make a 90-degree bend, palm upwards. Take a yardstick and insert one end into the inside bend of your elbow. Measure the length to the first (distal) joint of your index finger. That length will approximate correct length-of-pull for most normally proportioned adults, for shotguns. Subtract 1/4" for rifles.

I just did this. The distance was 15 3/8". (By the way, I take a 35" sleeve, and am broad-shouldered.)

 

[RevolvingGarbage]

I have arranged a number of my firearms to have lengths-of-pull in that range, and they fit me quite comfortably (at least, those with sufficient drop do).

Here is a good metric to estimate you proper length of pull: with your shooting arm down at your side, raise your forearm up to make a 90-degree bend, palm upwards. Take a yardstick and insert one end into the inside bend of your elbow. Measure the length to the first (distal) joint of your index finger. That length will approximate correct length-of-pull for most normally proportioned adults, for shotguns. Subtract 1/4" for rifles.

I just did this. The distance was 15 3/8". (By the way, I take a 35" sleeve, and am broad-shouldered.)

Yes, I'm aware of that measurement method. According to that I need about an inch more of stock on my guns than you would. The problem is, I believe this method was devised or meant for shotgun shooters specifically for clay target games. I dont think its as applicable for other long guns. Personally, a standard AK stock length is about perfect in my opinion, and thats considered quite short.


Edit: Re-reading your post, I see you did explain its for shotguns and apparently there's a ratio for rifles. I still contend that this method of finding ideal LOP isn't quite the end all be all, but my apologies for not reading thoroughly.

 

[doubleh]

Tourbon makes some nice leather butt pads that fasten with velcro. I put one on my Rossie 92 because the stock was too short and the butt plate is rather small so I had a hard time finding one that fit the rifle. It only gave 1/2" of extension. I added another 1/2"of high density foam which made it perfect but I could have added another 1/2" if needed. They didn't have much of a selection when I bought mine but Amazon shows a number of different ones now. You might find one there that would work. They are good quality leather pads.

 

[trackskippy]

The AK's fixed stock, and some of the folders LOP's, are the same as most other military rifles, 13" give or take . The SKS is a tad shorter, and probably the shortest of the fixed stocks.

I have figured it out. I have arranged a number of my firearms to have lengths-of-pull in that range, and they fit me quite comfortably (at least, those with sufficient drop do).

Here is a good metric to estimate your proper length of pull: with your shooting arm down at your side, raise your forearm up to make a 90-degree bend, palm upwards. Take a yardstick and insert one end into the inside bend of your elbow. Measure the length to the first (distal) joint of your index finger. That length will approximate correct length-of-pull for most normally proportioned adults, for shotguns. Subtract 1/4" for rifles.

I just did this. The distance was 15 3/8". (By the way, I take a 35" sleeve, and am broad-shouldered.)

We always just held the butt of the gun in the crook of our arm and if the trigger finger fell on the trigger, it was considered a shoulderable/shootable rifle. It was just a rough estimate/gauge sort of thing, and not any kind of gospel.

I just measured my arm by your method and I measured 15 1/4". I have no trouble at all shouldering and shooting a Carbine or any of the other rifles with the same LOP, and like RG, can and do shoot AR with the stock collapsed fully, with no trouble.

I agree with RevolvingGarbage here, the issue here seems to be more with you than with the gun. It just sounds like you cant, or arent willing to adjust to the gun, for whatever reason, and you just need to figure out the what or why.