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Okay. Well I don't know much about those carbines, though I do remember they were once in the lineup. I suppose if it's simple to operate, no reason not to trial one and see how it holds up.
Let's talk camp guns
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Okay. Well I don't know much about those carbines, though I do remember they were once in the lineup. I suppose if it's simple to operate, no reason not to trial one and see how it holds up.
Elkins45
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My understanding is that 45 acp doesn’t benefit from a longer barrel nearly as much as higher pressure pistol cartridges do. You probably would only pick up 100 fps or so.
gotboostvr
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You won't gain much (any? ) velocity from a longer 45acp barrel.
The Ruger 44 semi auto is being a little rare, parts will be tough to come by to keep one running. Susposedly they're a little picky on what ammo they like as well. Wish Ruger would bring them back though.
The 44 or 45LC lever gun will be the easiest manual of arms for most people though. I know everyone at my deer camp could figure it out in a hurry if needed. Probably not the case with an AR or the Ruger semi auto.
As far as optics, the Marlins have a number of rail options and the Rossi's are drilled and tapped under the rear sight for a small rail. Im unsure of mounting options for the Henry's though. I would expect to put a good thick recoil pad on any of them though, the steel buttplate on the Rossi's thump you pretty good.
The Ruger 44 semi auto is being a little rare, parts will be tough to come by to keep one running. Susposedly they're a little picky on what ammo they like as well. Wish Ruger would bring them back though.
The 44 or 45LC lever gun will be the easiest manual of arms for most people though. I know everyone at my deer camp could figure it out in a hurry if needed. Probably not the case with an AR or the Ruger semi auto.
As far as optics, the Marlins have a number of rail options and the Rossi's are drilled and tapped under the rear sight for a small rail. Im unsure of mounting options for the Henry's though. I would expect to put a good thick recoil pad on any of them though, the steel buttplate on the Rossi's thump you pretty good.
Everyone that I hunt with has run my 10/22, are the controls terribly different in the m44?You won't gain much (any? ) velocity from a longer 45acp barrel.
The Ruger 44 semi auto is being a little rare, parts will be tough to come by to keep one running. Susposedly they're a little picky on what ammo they like as well. Wish Ruger would bring them back though.
The 44 or 45LC lever gun will be the easiest manual of arms for most people though. I know everyone at my deer camp could figure it out in a hurry if needed. Probably not the case with an AR or the Ruger semi auto.
As far as optics, the Marlins have a number of rail options and the Rossi's are drilled and tapped under the rear sight for a small rail. Im unsure of mounting options for the Henry's though. I would expect to put a good thick recoil pad on any of them though, the steel buttplate on the Rossi's thump you pretty good.
gotboostvr
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Couldn't say. Pretty easy to tell someone, "just shuck it and shoot!" though in the heat of the moment.
Including a walking quadrapalegic?
lol he is quite capable, regardless but as one of my party members, movement is a topic...
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Noise pollution would be a minimal concern
What's the oal on that???
The cartridge or the rifle?
The cartridges are loaded to standard length ~1.615".
With the Obsidian 45 in short configuration, the overall length is 42.25" with an effective barrel length (16.5" barrel + can) of 22.5".
In long configuration it's 2" longer in both dimensions.
Lol the rifle oal with can is what I was curious about
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Hi-Point carbine in 10mm. With the money you save, you can get the stock dipped to alleviate the looks. They are not terribly good looking. They are inexpensive. They work well. And 10mm auto fits your needs very well.
My camp gun is a XD mod 2 in 45acp. 13 rounds of 45acp plus a spare mag. If I go for a hike it comes with me with the short mag and it is really easy to get to and deploy in the tent, both areas where I find a carbine sevearly lacking. I love carbines but I don't find them nearly as versitile as a good pistol. If .45acp isn't enough umph for you a 10mm seems like a natural choice.
I love the idea of the a silencer on a camping weapon. It seems like it would be a big advantage for wake up in the middle of the night follow up shots if I am not dazed by the first shot. A camp gun is one place that I would take a laser over a red dot... mainly for the ability to shoot from the hip in the dark. I also love red dots but, man or beast, I value being able to hit a target without having to spend the time to bring the gun up to site through a red dot.
But if you have an itch for a carbine you should probably buy a carbine. .223 seems like it would be the hardest hit with the least ear blowing noise. How about a stainless mini-14 with a folding stock?... compact until you need the stock for a longer shot. Lasers are so small these days my carbines wear both a laser and a red dot that can be quickly replaced with a scope.
If you just want the best carbine ever that is obviously a M1 carbine.
I love the idea of the a silencer on a camping weapon. It seems like it would be a big advantage for wake up in the middle of the night follow up shots if I am not dazed by the first shot. A camp gun is one place that I would take a laser over a red dot... mainly for the ability to shoot from the hip in the dark. I also love red dots but, man or beast, I value being able to hit a target without having to spend the time to bring the gun up to site through a red dot.
But if you have an itch for a carbine you should probably buy a carbine. .223 seems like it would be the hardest hit with the least ear blowing noise. How about a stainless mini-14 with a folding stock?... compact until you need the stock for a longer shot. Lasers are so small these days my carbines wear both a laser and a red dot that can be quickly replaced with a scope.
If you just want the best carbine ever that is obviously a M1 carbine.
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"Camp Gun" was what ever back up we had available at elk camp, from a Marlin 30-30 to a surplus 03A3, even an 870 with slugs.
Marlin lever gun in 44 mag would not be a bad choice.
Marlin lever gun in 44 mag would not be a bad choice.
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Jeb Stuart
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20 ga. Mossberg Flex. (tactical stock, hunting stock. pistol grip)-ballistics of 20ga at close range are impressive.Optional Slug Barrel with Red Dot.
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I believe the Ruger 44 rifle the OP is referring to is the 44 Deerfield Carbine. It has a similar bolt mechanism as the Minis and Garand/M1A and uses a 4 round rotary magazine.
That would be a good choice but they are rare and expensive.
That would be a good choice but they are rare and expensive.
Elkins45
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Did that come threaded from the factory?
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From what I read, its being discontinued.
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I think am m1 carbine would fill the roll pretty well.
These days you can get a rail forend piece.
A single screw holds that in so swapping it out is a snap.
Carbines have enough mag options that it would do the trick. It's light and low recoil.
These days you can get a rail forend piece.
A single screw holds that in so swapping it out is a snap.
Carbines have enough mag options that it would do the trick. It's light and low recoil.
For the m1 suggestions, is a .30 really going to have the stop I'm looking for? My instincts (and everything I've ever learned about ballistics) are saying that for up to a maybe small black bear it would suffice, but I'm concerned as much about the larger end of the spectrum as I am the two legged critters on down.....
As explained previously, Alaska would be on the table as well, and whilst I am not sneering at the x39, I'm not sure it's what I'm looking for........
So far it seems that either the marlin lever or ruger semiauto may be my best bet in .44.......unless I'm lucky enough to land a circuit judge in .44....... (can the .45 version handle ruger loads?) And I DO appreciate the head's up on the sig romeo everyone!!!!!!
I understand why you’d want something more than the 7.62x39 for bears. The x39 will do it, but it’s not what I’d immediately associate with bear elimination though.
Loaded with Hornady SST or Cor-Bon and it would be pretty good though.
It’s a little weird that you’d immediately mention the .44 Mag right after in light of the fact that the muzzle energy of the 7.62x39 greatly exceeds that of the .44 Mag.
Go to the .308 then.
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