Letter to al-Qa'ida

[Gunfyter]

From today's Federalist Patriot Alert

m a Marine officer on the Iraqi warfront with Jihadistan...

(This is an open letter to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, "Islamic
Response," and the rest of the so-called al-Qa'ida "insurgents"
in Iraq and elsewhere. We don't have an e-mail address for these
swine -- though we are closing in on their snail-mail address,
but we are forwarding this letter to Federalist Patriots around the
world in the hope you good people will forward it to as many other
Patriots as possible to rally prayer and support for our fellow
Marine, Cpl. Wassef Ali Hassoun. Should these al-Qa'ida pigs
spill his blood, we want them to rest assured that the contents
of this letter will eventually be nailed to their foreheads. Thank
you for your assistance.)


To al-Qa'ida terrorists in Iraq:

I see that you have captured a U.S. Marine, and that you plan
to cut off his head if your demands are not met. Big mistake.
Before you carry out your threat I suggest you read up on Marine
Corps history. The Japanese tried the same thing on Makin
Island and in a few other places during World War Two, and came
to regret it. Go ahead and read about what then happened to the
mighty Imperial Army on Tarawa, Iwo Jima and Okinawa. They paid
full price for what they did, and you will too.

You look at America and you see a soft target, and to a large
extent you are right. Our country is filled with a lot of spoiled
children who drive BMWs, sip decaf lattes and watch ridiculous
reality TV shows. They are for the most part decent, hard working
citizens, but they are soft. When you cut off Nick Berg's head
those people gasped, and you got the media coverage you sought,
and then those people went back to their lives. This time it
is different. We also have a warrior culture in this country,
and they are called Marines. It is a brotherhood forged in the
fire of many wars, and the bond between us is stronger than
blood. While it is true that this country has produced nitwits
like John Kerry, Michael Moore, Howard Dean and Jane Fonda who
can be easily manipulated by your gruesome tactics, we have
also produced men like Jason Dunham, Brian Chontosh and Joseph
Perez. If you don't recognize those names you should. They are all
Marines who distinguished themselves fighting to liberate Iraq,
and there will be many more just like them coming for you.

Before the current politically correct climate enveloped our
culture one of the recruiting slogans of our band of brothers was
"The Marine Corps Builds Men." You will soon find out just how
true that is. You, on the other hand, are nothing but a bunch of
women. If you were men you would show your faces, and take us on
in a fair fight. Instead, you are cowards who hide behind masks
and decapitate helpless victims. If you truly represented the
interest of the Iraqi people you would not be ambushing those who
come to your country to repair your power plants, or sabotage the
oil pipelines which fuel the Iraqi economy. Your agenda is hate,
plain and simple.

When you raise that sword over your head I want you to remember
one thing. Corporal Wassef Ali Hassoun is not alone as he kneels
before you. Every Marine who has ever worn the uniform is there
with him, and when you strike him you are striking all of us. If
you think the Marines were tough on you when they were cleaning
out Fallujah a few weeks ago you haven't seen anything yet. If you
want to know what it feels like to have the Wrath of God called
down upon you then go ahead and do it. We are not Turkish truck
drivers, or Pakistani laborers, or independent contractors hoping
to find work in your country. We are the United States Marines,
and we will be coming for you.

 

[ojibweindian]

Our fighting men and women are only as tough as they're allowed to be. I'm sure that 100 years ago, we would have slaughtered anything remotely responsible for the recent beheadings. Today, sadly, most of America has pussed out.

 

[USMC_2674]

Having been there, done that and being in charge of a platoon of Marines...

I can guaran'damn'tee you that if they cut off the Marines head, they will be slaughtered.

Any Marines under my command would not have been held back "unofficially". And "things" get swept under the rugs.

Don't forget. We don't.

Semper Fidelis

 

[bountyhunter]

I can guaran'damn'tee you that if they cut off the Marines head, they will be slaughtered.

I think they know that. The guys holding him have a way out that saves face if they choose to take it: the marine is of Lebanese descent and also is a muslim. Al Qaeda released three Turkish hostages yesterday unharmed and said it ws because they are Muslims. Hopefully, they may do the same thing for Cpl Hassoun.

It was good to see that the marines (a bit late) have stopped speculating in the media about how they believed Cpl Hassoun went over the hill.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,124210,00.html

"She (a Marine spokeswoman) specifically refused to answer why the military changed Hassoun's status from "missing" to "captured" on Tuesday, and also referred questions to officials in Washington, D.C., about a report saying Hassoun was captured while trying to defect."

 

[moa]

Unless Cpl. Hassoun wigged out, I do not understand how he could exit Iraq and travel to Lebanon. He most likely would need civilian clothes and a passport. And, maybe he had the clothes and passport.

He would have to travel through Syria or Jordan and Israel, if that is possible, in order to reach his destination. I doubt if there are commercial flights out of Iraq yet.

Story does not seem likely to me he went AWOL to visit relatives, and he is in war zone.

 

[bountyhunter]

We are in complete agreement.

I previuosly stated it sounded like the story of him going over the hill for personal reasons was a convenient excuse being peddled to try to explain why a US Marine had been missing for days and nobody was looking for him.

I don't know if he walked out on his own. It's possible he did, but my gripe is that his superiors should not be specualting in the press until they find out what really happened.... out of respect for his family (at least), if not out of loyalty for one of their own men.

Bottom line is that we all know where he ended up (in the hands of Al qaeda) and the Marines should be trying to maximize his chances for survival, not covering their own asses.

 

[GeneC]

"Having been there, done that and being in charge of a platoon of Marines...

I can guaran'damn'tee you that if they cut off the Marines head, they will be slaughtered.

Any Marines under my command would not have been held back "unofficially". And "things" get swept under the rugs.

Don't forget. We don't.

Semper Fidelis"

OOOHRAH and amen, 2674. Let every Marine , past and present- ateeenHUH!! "Tell St Peter at the Pearly Gates, we've served our time in Hell!"

Marine 2129

 

[Lone_Gunman]

I can guaran'damn'tee you that if they cut off the Marines head, they will be slaughtered.

Unless the Marines decide to revolt from their Commander in Chief, I don't think any thing close to a slaughter is going to happen, dude.

Didnt a bunch of Marines get killed in their barracks in Lebanon in the 80's by a truck bomb without any retalliation from us?

 

[USMC_2674]

Lone_Gunman,

The difference is slight, but significant.

In the embassy bombing, we weren't already in a position where combat was everyday.

Right now, the Marines are engaged in combat on a daily basis. Nobody is going to notice if the Marines "were attacked" and then continued the fight "because they had to".

Example:

Marine Squad is patrolling downtown Falajah. They are attacked by two lone idiots from the top of a building. SOP right now is to kill the two idiots, retrieve their bodies, check out the building and continue with the patrol.

NOBODY will notice if the unofficial SOP is to kill the two idiots, blow up the building, "hear gunshots being fired from the next building over", continue the fight to the next building, etc etc. Obviously this wouldn't be taken to the extreme, but a slaughter it would be none the less.

Example B: Marines bust into a building, small firefight erupts. Four men inside, two with guns firing back, two with guns not firing back not pointing them at the Marines YET. SOP is to kill the two and tell the other two to put the weapons down. Unofficial SOP becomes "Kill the Mother????ers".

Obviously, we aren't talking about "disobeying" the president and the higher ups. We are talking about mindset and unofficial SOP's.

Hope that helps clear it up for you.

Semper Fidelis

 

[Billy the Kid]

An extreamily trite and jingoistic piece, ive read better literature on bathroom stall walls IMO.

 

[Billy the Kid]

By the way the "marine" bravado didnt go far in Viet nam now did it? We are fighting a war with a faceless enemy, we need to adapt to the times, this isnt WW2 theyre not Nazis or Japanese, these are regular people we are fighting here they blend into all the population and wear no uniforms. I fear for this marine whom is captured like everyone else, we have lots of marines in my family, but writing this jingoisitc BS on a website in the comfort of our homes and offices accomplishes nothing, except possibly to endanger our troops even more by filling the ranks of the terrorists training camps.

 

[jfh]

to the tune of "Rawhide:"

...trollin', trollin', trollin', keep those bleats a-rollin'....

 

[bountyhunter]

Didnt a bunch of Marines get killed in their barracks in Lebanon in the 80's by a truck bomb without any retalliation from us?

YES. It was under Reagan and he held NOBODY accountable in the chain of command for the shameful "security" at the facility.

There was retaliation of sorts: we withdrew our people and the Mighty Mo (battleship Missouri) emptied her stores through the long guns at inland "terrorist" targets. Journalists who were in country said the civilain casualties were pretty high.

I remeber it well because I had only been married a few months. My wife's Naval reserve unit was attached to the marines (or maybe it's the other way around, but they are joined at the hip). The navy supplies the corpsmen who are in the marine combat units. I had never seen my wife cry until they showed the video of them hauling Marines out of that rubble. I also had never heard the kind of swearing she uttered with respect to Ronald Reagan prior to that time. I will never forget one thing she sid becase it rings true 20 years later:

"Marines want to fight, but they didn't even have a mission. They were just targets waiting to be killed."

 

[bountyhunter]

NOBODY will notice if the unofficial SOP is to kill the two idiots, blow up the building, "hear gunshots being fired from the next building over", continue the fight to the next building, etc etc. Obviously this wouldn't be taken to the extreme, but a slaughter it would be none the less.

So, we should adopt the Israeli "security" tactics in our occupation of Iraq? That will go over real well.

 

[1911Tuner]

Billy, Billy, Billy...

BTK said:

By the way the "marine" bravado didnt go far in Viet nam now did it?

Spend a lotta time in the 'Nam, did ya Billy boy?

Oh, and by the way...That's a capital "M" in marine...


Semper Fi, by God...

Tuner

 

[HankB]

Actually, Israel's security tactics seem to be bearing fruit . . . during the past year, the body count of Israelis murdered by suicide bombers and such is WAY down over previous years.

 

[Ktulu]

More fuel for the fire.

Why would it take the beheading of a Marine? What about the other Americans who aready lost their heads?

 

[Billy the Kid]

Nope i was born after the Nam fiasco, however my father and uncle were there. My uncle was a marine and my father was a draftee. Not to mention the various films and books written about it there sweety.

By the way to the other guy why is a difference of opinion "trolling"? Maybe youre the troll.

 

[Drjones]

Example:

Marine Squad is patrolling downtown Falajah. They are attacked by two lone idiots from the top of a building. SOP right now is to kill the two idiots, retrieve their bodies, check out the building and continue with the patrol.

NOBODY will notice if the unofficial SOP is to kill the two idiots, blow up the building, "hear gunshots being fired from the next building over", continue the fight to the next building, etc etc. Obviously this wouldn't be taken to the extreme, but a slaughter it would be none the less.

Example B: Marines bust into a building, small firefight erupts. Four men inside, two with guns firing back, two with guns not firing back not pointing them at the Marines YET. SOP is to kill the two and tell the other two to put the weapons down. Unofficial SOP becomes "Kill the Mother????ers".

I sure hope you are right, sir!

Thank you for your service.


Billy, go to hades.

 

[1911Tuner]

Books and Films

BTK said:

my father and uncle were there. My uncle was a marine and my father was a draftee.
______________________

Well...Some guys got lucky and landed cushy jobs in the rear with the beer and the gear...Some of us weren't so fortunate. I knew a few pogues, and
Lordy! The "war" stories they could tell when they were tryin' to impress the young'uns or some sweet young thing in a bar in beautiful downtown
Jacksonville, NC.



Not to mention the various films and books written about it there sweety.
_______________________

Yeah...and we all know how accurate and unfalteringly honest the journalists and Hollywood filmmakers are. I believe everything I read and all that I see on the boob tube or the silver screen. True classics!

Now...on this "sweety" thing. First off, it's spelled with an "IE" not a "Y"
and how do you know that I'm a sweetie? I might be a rough old grump.
Of course...some girls like that kinda guy.

Kiss-Kiss!

Tuner

 

[jfh]

maybe you aren't a troll, Billy the Kid. As for whether or not I am the troll, feel free to consider a) my posting count, and b) the fact that we have had more than a few DU-types come in to foment issues, so suspicions run high.

And, IMHO, your initial posts in on this topic fit a loosely-defined characteristic of trolls. Now, I see, that they mostly reflect inexperience and a few well-intentioned dissents from the norm.

And that seems to fit in OK here. Enjoy the discussion.


for Ktulu: The affiliation of Marines and the immediacy of the insult makes it more probable that SOPs will change with an issue like this--and understandably so, I think.

 

[Leatherneck]

If I had murdered a Marine, and bragged about it/flaunted it on ElJism TV, and the Marines found out my location...


I'd be very, very concerned.

TC
TFL Survivor

 

[DevilDog]

Marine here - '81 to '87.

Reagan could not hold anyone responsible for the bombing, because everyone was responsible. Everyone from Reagan down to the OOD who complied with the order that the guards could not stand post with a loaded weapon. It was a huge number of bad decisions based on political uncertainty, lack of courage to carry out a real mission, and political post-Vietnam syndrome.

The Marines in Lebanon were very much "set-up". The rules of engagement were completely messed up. It was carried forward with the post-Vietnam mindset where we were afraid to getting into a shooting war. The approach to that operation was completely flawed, even if the goal was correct. To a certain degree, we repeated it in Somalia. We go in with the right intentions and with a worthy mission, and once some get killed, we (as a country) give up. The Marines did not want to leave Lebanon, I can vouch for that.

I am a big fan of Reagan, he is one of the best we have had, but he screwed that whole thing up. He knew it too. It was his Bay of Pigs.

We has a country must realize that once we commit troops, we must stand behind them and their mission until it is concluded. No matter how much we may disagree with it. If we don't, then one day we will wake up to realize that no one will sacrifice against our enemies for us. Think about that the next time you wave your "holier than thou anti-war sign".

As far as Marine bravado and Vietnam - the Marines performed incredibly well in Vietnam. The other branches did as well. The fact is we did not loose a single major confrontation in Vietnam. The fact is that after WE won the battle of Tet, the VC ceased to exist as an effective force. Militarily, we had turned the corner to win the war.

The only group that should be ashamed of their performance during Vietnam is the segment of the US public that decided to support our enemies instead of our troops. Shame on them... shame on them...

 

[bountyhunter]

Reagan could not hold anyone responsible for the bombing, because everyone was responsible.

I agree that was Reagan's (publicly stated) rationale, I just am 100% in disagreement with it. The commander of the unit has the responsibilty for seeing to it his men are not placed in unnecessary peril... and standing up on his hind legs to the CIC when he is trying to order said commander into a place where that will happen. IMO, that was the biggest cop-out I have ever seen.

 

[fix]

My uncle was a marine and my father was a draftee.

If I were your uncle, I'd kick you repeatedly in the face until you learned to capitalize the M in Marine.

Not to mention the various films and books written about it there sweety.

Sweety? Yep, face kicking would be the order of the day for you.

bountyhunter,

I'm beginning to see the point you were making about Kimmett's comments earlier. Though I still think there was nothing factually inaccurate in the statement he made, it did leave too much room for speculation on the part of the media. So, in a sense, you were right about that. Kimmett should have seen it coming.