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The last time my go to deer rifle was a lever action was over 30 years ago (Winchester 30/30). I decided this deer season I am going back to lever action after I traded for a Marlin XLR in 45/70. I'll be limiting my range to +/- 100 yds and hunting thicker areas. I'm not crazy about open sights and may use a low power scope to help my eyes out, maybe a 4X? Any long time lever action hunters that use 45/70 have any tips for me?
 
My only lever gun is in .357 magnum, but .45-70 is one of those calibers that the bullet don't matter much. It's pre-expanded. :D

My main comment is, I'd stick with at LEAST a 40mm objective. Most "low power" scopes are 22-32 mm. Those woods get dark early and a small objective won't give you much illumination when the deer start moving morning or evening.

BTW, pics? :D
 
Jinx, i have a 45-70 guide gun that i use for hiking in bear country.... just a lot of fun to load for... mostly use hornady 350 gr fp #4503 which i load hot. I have a 4X20 red star scope on it and it is great for the bush and no problem out to 200 yards. I really like a 45-70 lever....
dirt Also Jinx, welcome to THR Glad to see ya.....
 
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I've always had a Williams peep site on my Marlin 1894, 44mag. But as the years go by, I could see a low power scope. The red dot sight is intriguing.
 
leupold 2-7 vx2 on my marlin 45-70. I put a 40mm on mine but didn't like it for cheek weld and looks. I would think I high quality glass in 33mm would be fine for thick woods.
 
The .45-70 became a "100yrd or less" cartridge sometime likely about it's 30th or later birthday, after spending those decades killing game at ranges multiples farther... No reason a guy has to think THAT small just because you're hauling a punkin' chunker in the field. The buck below was taken at a lasered 253yrds with a 325grn FTX factory load from a short barreled Marlin Guide Gun, using a Bushnell 3-9x40mm. The rifle has since been upgraded with a 4.5-14x40mm side focus Nikon Buckmaster to give me the option of dialing turrets instead of the "coin slots" on the former Bushnell Elite 3200. 4.5x is plenty at short range for fast shots, for me, and having that extra magnification at hand sure is nice when I want to make a long distance call, or slam 300+ grains into something small just for the challenge.

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..., in 45/70. I'll be limiting my range to +/- 100 yds and hunting thicker areas. I'm not crazy about open sights....

ALL that I use are open sights, and out to 100 yards, BUT I'm blessed with very good distance vision for my years, it's reading small print instruction manuals and food labels that mess with me...but back to the topic...,

There are several sorts of "open" or "iron" sights. There are the fiber optic or even tritium enhanced ones, but I've found them to be a bit on the crude side, so you don't get as much accuracy as you would get from other sights. There are the open sights, the classic open rear in back (V) and front sight post (I). That's what I use, though I have a thin, silver front sight post that shows up really well in low light. Then there are peep rear sights, some replace the factory rear V, and some are tang mounted. https://www.brownells.com/search/index.htm?k=marlin+xlr+rear+sight&ksubmit=y. You should be aware that peep sights with small openings get tough to use in low light, and peep sights with large openings need some care to get a good sight picture.

So the first thing I'd do is look over your sights in low light..., since many ranges don't allow targets shot early in the morning, you will probably have to wait until near sundown at the range to do this. Determine what you can see, and then how well the sights work for you in low light, for what you see with both eyes can be different when you move to one eye looking over the iron sights. ;) Most folks forget that in low light, as the ability to see color diminishes, you use more rods in your retina which are just a tiny bit away from the center of the eye where the color vision is located, and so you will tend to be off on impact compared to what your rifle did for you on the range in bright sunlight. At 100 yards or less this might not matter as it does at say 300 yards.

IF you find you, as you suspect, that you don't like the low light and iron sights, then you know you want a good scope, that does an excellent job of gathering light. Even with my nice distance vision, there have been times when I could see the deer with both eyes, but when I concentrated on one eye and the iron sights, it reduced the light just enough that the animal blended into the background and I couldn't shoot. A nice, light gathering scope would've made all the difference. I'd look at light gathering ability first, then worry about magnification amounts.

LD
 
ALL that I use are open sights, and out to 100 yards, BUT I'm blessed with very good distance vision for my years, it's reading small print instruction manuals and food labels that mess with me...but back to the topic...,

There are several sorts of "open" or "iron" sights. There are the fiber optic or even tritium enhanced ones, but I've found them to be a bit on the crude side, so you don't get as much accuracy as you would get from other sights. There are the open sights, the classic open rear in back (V) and front sight post (I). That's what I use, though I have a thin, silver front sight post that shows up really well in low light. Then there are peep rear sights, some replace the factory rear V, and some are tang mounted. https://www.brownells.com/search/index.htm?k=marlin+xlr+rear+sight&ksubmit=y. You should be aware that peep sights with small openings get tough to use in low light, and peep sights with large openings need some care to get a good sight picture.

So the first thing I'd do is look over your sights in low light..., since many ranges don't allow targets shot early in the morning, you will probably have to wait until near sundown at the range to do this. Determine what you can see, and then how well the sights work for you in low light, for what you see with both eyes can be different when you move to one eye looking over the iron sights. ;) Most folks forget that in low light, as the ability to see color diminishes, you use more rods in your retina which are just a tiny bit away from the center of the eye where the color vision is located, and so you will tend to be off on impact compared to what your rifle did for you on the range in bright sunlight. At 100 yards or less this might not matter as it does at say 300 yards.

IF you find you, as you suspect, that you don't like the low light and iron sights, then you know you want a good scope, that does an excellent job of gathering light. Even with my nice distance vision, there have been times when I could see the deer with both eyes, but when I concentrated on one eye and the iron sights, it reduced the light just enough that the animal blended into the background and I couldn't shoot. A nice, light gathering scope would've made all the difference. I'd look at light gathering ability first, then worry about magnification amounts.

LD
I've tried peep sights, but I had laser surgery about 17 yrs ago and the Dr. gave me great distance vision-but not so much for close up, like the rear sight. That was my choice then and for the sake of the critter I am going to eat I don't feel comfortable with an open sight. Coyotes are a little different, just anchor them then finish them off!
 
Low power with the widest field of view you can find...................
I have a Nikon 4X fixed that I haven't used in nearly 20 years, I am setting it up today and hunting tomorrow....hopefully I will have some pic's for you!
 
The .45-70 became a "100yrd or less" cartridge sometime likely about it's 30th or later birthday, after spending those decades killing game at ranges multiples farther... No reason a guy has to think THAT small just because you're hauling a punkin' chunker in the field. The buck below was taken at a lasered 253yrds with a 325grn FTX factory load from a short barreled Marlin Guide Gun, using a Bushnell 3-9x40mm. The rifle has since been upgraded with a 4.5-14x40mm side focus Nikon Buckmaster to give me the option of dialing turrets instead of the "coin slots" on the former Bushnell Elite 3200. 4.5x is plenty at short range for fast shots, for me, and having that extra magnification at hand sure is nice when I want to make a long distance call, or slam 300+ grains into something small just for the challenge.

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That is a HOSS deer! I am shooting some Federal with the Speer 300g JSP, if I like the feel of this I might upgrade my optic and look at longer shots. My gun is a Marlin with the longer barrel, so it could reach out there.
 
I have a bunch of leverguns and have hunted with them since childhood. Most of them wear receiver sights but I am not at all averse to scoping one. I just don't think you need more than a 1-4x for a 100yd gun or even a 300yd gun. Most of my hunting is done in the deep, dark eastern woods and I can see that silver blade front sight of my flintlock until nearly dark. A scope adds maybe 10mins of shooting light.

You don't need to be able to see up close to use a peep sight properly. You shouldn't be trying to focus on the rear sight at all.

Objective diameter and brightness is dependent on the magnification. Given similar quality, a 3-9x40 on 9x is not going to be any brighter than a 1-4x20 at 1x. A good 1-4x will be brighter and clearer than a cheap 4-12x. What matters is the exit pupil size, the quality of the glass and its coatings, not the objective diameter. Under 100yds hunting in the woods, you're going to find far more utility in a 1-4x than a 3-9x or bigger. I have probably half a dozen scopes in this class for every 2-7x or 3-9x. The Leupold 1.5-5x is my favorite among these.
 
Tip #1. Don’t take shots you shouldn’t.

Tip #2. Don’t miss your mark.

If you do those two things, and use quality ammo whether it’s factory or hand loaded, you’ll be eating well.
 
I haven't hunted with my lever guns, yet (long story), but I am going to replace my 4X on my 336 with an open sight. It will become my hiking rifle - better shot with a rifle than a pistol, particularly if there is adrenaline.
 
I have a older burris 2x7 that I like for lever-single shot rifles, I have this 2x7 burris mounted on a ruger #3 45-70 for this season, but have used it on lever actions. eastbank.
 

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I'm not a long time lever gun hunter, but I will chime in and agree with those suggesting lower powered scopes.
In thick brush for close shots, I don't think a fixed 4x is the way to go. I like the 1-4x or 2-7x idea better myself for your application.
 
I have three lever rifles, a 44 mag and 45/70, both Marlins, and an old 94 carbine flat band in 32 Winchester Special.
The latter is what I plan on hunting with this season. With the right glasses on I can use the open sights so we'll see what happens.
 
I've owned a pile of lever guns over the years. The only one I've got left is a custom 1895 JM Marlin CB in 45-70.
 
I use a Marlin 336 in .35 remington with a 1.5-4 Bushnell banner Dusk Dawn scope. Not an expensive set up and it never fails me. Shot an 8 pointer last week at 136 yards and dropped in his tracks.

The 1.5-4 power works well in the woods and open fields for me.
 
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