Limited Pistol Classification

[Doublehelix]

I am being told that my SIG P226 Legion SAO is considered a "Limited" gun for IDPA/USPSA/SCSA because of the SAO and thumb safety.

Does this sound right? I would have thought this would be classified as "Production" since it is completely stock. I checked the list, and it does show the SIG P226 Legion listed under Production, but does not specifically specify the SAO version, it just says "SIG P226 Legion".

Are all 1911 type guns that are SAO with thumb safeties considered Limited?

Thanks in advance!

 

[ATLDave]

You are being told correctly, for the most part. All single-action-only pistols are excluded from Production, regardless of how many are made or how bone-stock it is.

The thumb safety, however, has nothing to do with it. Many DA/SA guns have thumb safeties and are production-eligible. It's the trigger Production guns have to start with the hammer down, and it is considered unfair to get the easier SA pull off the draw.

And, yes, all 1911 are excluded from Production. Because of the SAO trigger. Some 1911's qualify for their own division - Single Stack. The rest have to play in LTD, L10, or even Open.

 

[Doublehelix]

You are awesome. Great explanation. Thank you very much!

 

[Jim Watson]

We call it ESP - Enhanced Service Pistol in IDPA.

 

[ATLDave]

Except a heck of a lot of USPSA LTD guns can't make IDPA weight, don't fit the box, have larger magazines, have thumbrests that preclude a non-race holster, etc.

 

[Jim Watson]

True. But a SIG Legion does.

I see a group of shooters at one match, all with Legions. Family, club, group buy deal, I dunno, but they all have the funky colored Sigs. Not all the same model, but they all have the Coin.

 

[waktasz]

It would make an ok Limited 10 gun, but Limited 10 is lame.

 

[Dudedog]

Sadly in some States you can't buy more than 10 rnd mags, or even own them.
We got a break in CA (at least for the time being about owning ones you all ready have), but for some people like me that don't have any hi cap mags if I wanted to shoot limited I would have to do it with 10 round mags.
(or move to a free state, as breaking the law is not an acceptable choice for me, the law but it is the law.).
So in this case Limited 10 is a great thing. I shoot Single Stack so for me it's a non issue but for a lot of people it isn't.

 

[waktasz]

It's still lame because it's basically useless outside of your state. Travel to free america and it's a barren division. SS is almost as bad. Shoot Production.

 

[Dudedog]

I would imagine there might be a few people show up to shoot the USPSA Single Stack Nationals.
I could be wrong however.
Not quite sure why I would want to give up a 1911 for something different in production. (and I own and like striker fired and double action pistols as well)
Single Stack gives you lots of practice changing mags not a bad thing IMO
I'll leave it at that not trying to argue, everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

 

[waktasz]

The main issue is participation levels, that's all. It's no fun (to me) to shoot against 5 or 10 other guys when Production and Limited have 40+ shooters at every match I attend.
Just as an example, at the Area 8 match this weekend, there were 20 SS shooters, and over 140 in both Production and Limited

If SS was the predominantly popular division in the country, and Production and Limited got very few shooters, I'd likely have ended up in SS instead, for that reason alone.