Llama .45 question

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Only general reading on the internet and a book my wife got from the library. Your source BTW is Wikipedia I could log in and make it say word for word what I posted, if I wanted.
Thanks for the quick response:) Yeah, I was pretty sure that's how Wikipedia works and why I was hoping you could shed some further light on the subject.
If you ever dig up the title of that book I would be interested.
Thanks again,
Greg
 
i might be buying one of these guns as well, not sure which model it is. but my gunsmith says its a good gun and i trust him. my friend has the exact same gun im thinking about buying but his in 9mm and he hasnt yet got to shoot it (went into basic before he could).
 
I have a few magazine clippings/reviews for the IX-A that I've collected over the years. I always try to keep any clippings I run across of weapons I possess. If interested, let me know and I'll place them in an envelope for you. If more than one wants a copy, I'll photocopy the articles.
Regards...
 
I have a few magazine clippings/reviews for the IX-A that I've collected over the years. I always try to keep any clippings I run across of weapons I possess. If interested, let me know and I'll place them in an envelope for you. If more than one wants a copy, I'll photocopy the articles.
Regards...
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Any chance you could post them here?
 
Treo, I don't really understand your request. I have magazine clippings torn from old magazines I no longer have. How am I supposed to post that? I was willing to send what I have, place them in an envelope, send to HogManMagnum or whoever wanted them. All he had to do is e-mail or PM me and it's done.:)
Explain what you mean "can I post them"? Do you mean take close-up pics so the print is legible and post them? If so, my camera and I can't do that. Don't understand why you are calling me out?
You make it sound like I don't have any clippings, is that the point?:rolleyes:
 
Maybe scan them in ?
I'm not sure how that works, but I'll see what I can do. It took me forever just to learn posting a pic...:)
What's your concealed carry handgun?
Bushmaster, not sure anyone gives a damn about my CC, but like most of you it depends on one's mood, clothing attire for the day, and the season.
Today it was a PPK in my pocket to WallyWorld and went to the range firing my Mauser .32acp, but later on taking out the Mrs. tonight with a sport coat; Colt Officer's model and so on with different occasions & clothes, etc. I usually rotate 3 handguns....
Regards...
 
i am only 19, yet i now have 20 guns, how many will i have when im 40!?!

Well, when Obama, the Democrats and the Justices that Obama nominates and his cohorts endorse, get done with their anti-gun agenda, if you're lucky, the twenty you have now and whichever ones you buy before now and inauguration day in January 2009.
 
And trust me on this: with the Democrats controlling Congress and a leftist at the helm, I'll be very surprised if, minimally, the infamous "Assault Rifle Ban" is not re-enacted within the first three months of his Excellency's reign-and this time with no "Sunset" provision. And that will be just the start of an all-out assault on the Second Amendment.

I truly hope I'm wrong...
 
Mad,

If you have a scanner you can scan the pages to files, upload the files to whatever photo carrier you use, and then post them just as you would a photograph. If you do try this see if you can make them .jpeg files and keep their sizes at around 600x800.

SwampWolf,

There are people in the senate who'd like nothing better, but I think Obama is smarter than that and will see that a ban would do some serious economic damage these days. Gun sales, and gun accessory sales is a much much bigger factor in this country than it was in 1994. That's what I'm hoping.
 
IOW they couldn't even hold a close enough tolerance on a mass produced gun to guarantee that a factory mag ( list price 67.50$ ea. last time I checked) would fit.

My first hand experience W/ Llama is that the are , essentially , Spanish Lorcins. They are made from cheap, soft pot metal & quality control was (obviously) nonexistant in the plant.

Even the people that say they got a good one ( no offense) are shooting a pot metal gun that is likely to blow up in their face one day. (Again first hand expreience)

1) The magazines had slightly different specifications because the models were slightly different. They were never Mil-Spec guns, until the M82. As years went by, the guns were updated.

2) Unless, and until you can explain in detail how you arrived at the "pot metal", which is an actual term with definition, title, you're giving us opinion declared as fact. As for the soft metal myth, that was from WWI, and the Ruby pistol. Llama, like Astra, was a much smaller company. Actually, more of a loose group of gunsmiths. The orders from France rapidly outstripped the ability to manufacture the guns, and they outsourced to other Basque gunsmiths, who used whatever metals they could find.

3) You have had a bad experience with a Llama "disassembling itself in your hand". Fine, X-frame S&Ws from the first run shed barrels while firing. Does that also qualify them as pot metal guns that disassemble themselves while firing? You're better than that.

4) There is no supporting evidence that Llama firearms are dangerous to the shooter. One incident, or two, in a company that's produced firearms for over 80 years is certainly not proof.

5) Jane's Guns Recognition Guide dated 1996 says this:

"Well made, of good materials, they were among the best Spnaish (sp) pistols of their day, and many are still in use."

This is a description of the Model IX. Page 88.

Having owned both an XI-B, and a IIIA for decades, I have found that the little guns hold up much better than you would allow. While the IIIA doesn't like many JHP profiles, it will feed those who's ogive resembles the FMJ. The XI-B feeds 9mm rounds like just about any other 1980's pistol, from any manufacturer. No signs of battering, or metal galling or smearing in either.
 
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Range Report(s)!

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i know its been a while but i had to come back and give a range report on the llama...

the first day i went i took a 100 bx of wwb and ended up having about 5-6 FTE's. as u can imagine i was bummed out. but i made the mistake of trusting the seller when he said he cleaned it before he sold it. i took it to the range without cleaning and lubing myself. im usually anal about that but somehow i didnt do it this time. when i got back home i gave it a thorough cleaning, paying close attention to the extractor and surrounding area.

i also noticed that first day that the mag spring was binding a little. its an original llama mag with 8 witness holes and it was pretty much impossible to load 7 rds. it seems that my FTE's were happening on the bottom half of the mag. when i started shooting and reloading the top 3 rds only and leaving the bottom 3 rds in the mag the failures stopped. all this made me think the mag might be the issue, so i decided to pick up another mag before the next range trip


range trip number 2 was with 100 rds of blazer brass .45 and a new chip mccormick 8 rounder.

im happy to report NO MORE FTE's! to be honest, i cant be sure if it was the new mag or the good cleaning but all 100 rds fed and ejected perectly. i have a feeling it was the extractor scrubbing that did the trick, even though i only loaded the original llama mag twice, withonly 5-6 rds, it worked fine. im going to disassemble the mag this week and see what i see, maybe order a new spring and follower

i was having so much fun i was able to settle in and adjust the sights. i stayed under 10 yds though, next time, now that the sights are just about right ill start moving the taget out and really see how accurate the llama is

only down side was the CMC mag gave me a few FTF jams on the last round in the mag. it only happened on the last round so im sure its the mag... any suggestions? again, im going to disassemble both mags and see what happens, although ive heard the base CMC mags with the V followers have a habit of doing that

regardless, the kinks are being worked out and this baby is blast to shoot. a couple more range trips like the last one and i wouldnt hesitate to grab the llama if something goes bump in the night
 
Glad to hear things worked itself out. BTW, your video-link is an "eye-opener" and disturbing.

thanx, joe. :D

and glad u iked he vid, pass it on to as many people as u can, we need to combat the ignorance because right now we are losing to it...
 
mini-update-

havent made it back to the range but i took apart the llama mag. it opens at the bottom and has a different spring from a standard 1911 mag, so putting in a new spring and follower is not an option.

i did clean the llama mag and oil the spring a little. upon putting it back together i was able to load 7 rds quite a bit easier. also, i realized that even though there are 8 witness holes, its still only a 7 rd mag, the bottom peephole sits right on the bottom (7th) round

now after a couple weeks of having a clean, fully loaded mag the spring has loosened up a bit


i wonder where treo is? he hasnt returned to do anymore llama-bashing
 
Regarding pot metal metal Llama's I must have the only pot metal pistol that attracts magnets, accepts Mag-gar 45/1911 mags, custom trigger "don't remember the maker", full length spring guide. ect. ect. Only thing I can't easily find is replacement grips to replace the rubber ones. Entire pistol is made of steel except the grips and the mags which are sheet steel.
BTW it has over 4,000 rounds thru it and more coming. Forgot to name the model MAX I

Oh Well
 
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For those interested in Spanish pistols, and their history, there is actually a well-researched book about them available on Amazon.

Spanish Handguns: The History of Spanish Pistols & Revolvers by Gene, Jr. Gangarosa

:)
 
Llamas still suck :D

Seriously, if you like 'em shoot 'em. I've not had good luck with them and based on that I'll not buy them nor recomend them.
 
I've found by far most unit bashers have never owned one of the units they bash, usually a word of mouth thing.
I'm a believer of owning and trying anything, when it doesn;t work for me move it out, and let the new owner know why. I"ve had many units that I was unhappy with, but never had one I hated or didn't want so much I bad mouthed it, always gave a fair review and comments only on the problems I had, not what I heard only what I knew
hey happy holidays.
rj
 
I handled someone else's a couple year's ago. I don't think the safety worked very well. He said that he used old Colt mags in it and they worked, they just didn't hold the slide open when it went dry. He seemed to like it.
 
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