Treo
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My .45 was real picky about magazines anything but a Llama magazine and it ejected the mag after every shot.
Llama .45 question
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JR47
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Actually, while YOUR Llama sucked, it doesn't mean that all of them do. You have another one in your family. Despite your claims, I do believe that it's doing much better, right?
Was you original Llama a new gun? I've forgotten. If not, how much that was wrong with it was the fault of the design, and how much was the fault of amateur machinists working on it?
Was you original Llama a new gun? I've forgotten. If not, how much that was wrong with it was the fault of the design, and how much was the fault of amateur machinists working on it?
No Llamas were ever made of "pot metal" (cast iron). Like all Spanish guns, they tend to be a bit soft and I don't recommend them for extended use (as a target gun, for example) but the ones made in the period under discussion are perfectly adequate for normal use.
I have seen a couple of Max models that were poorly fitted and inaccurate, but they aren't "junk", and don't "blow up" or "fall apart". I take such claims with a grain of salt the size of a salt block.
(I have heard the same claims made about about every other gun ever made that someone didn't like, including Ruger, S&W, Colt, SA, Glock, Kimber, Lugers, P.38s, all Russian guns, all German guns, all Italian and Spanish guns, etc., etc. "You don't want ..." often comes from folks with something else to sell.)
Jim
I have seen a couple of Max models that were poorly fitted and inaccurate, but they aren't "junk", and don't "blow up" or "fall apart". I take such claims with a grain of salt the size of a salt block.
(I have heard the same claims made about about every other gun ever made that someone didn't like, including Ruger, S&W, Colt, SA, Glock, Kimber, Lugers, P.38s, all Russian guns, all German guns, all Italian and Spanish guns, etc., etc. "You don't want ..." often comes from folks with something else to sell.)
Jim
Treo
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Did you miss the smiley after that statement ?
And I never claimed anything else. Haven't had any real problems with it (other than the metal appears to be soft PM me your email and I'll send you a ppicture of the dings on the gun) but I don't like the fit of the parts, it appears to have a lot of burrs and it rattles also it appears cheaply made. If I ever talk the wife into selling it you get first shot at buying it.
Yes I bought it brand new ( save any test firing at the factory) at Specialty Sports in Colorado Springs the .32 ( the best of the 4 was also new the 9mm and the .380 were both used, the 9 was really used the .380 not so much
I don't know , did gabilondo hire amateures?
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Why would I make a story like that up? am I a secret agent for Charles Daly?
JR47
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OK, I'll do that. However, I have a number of guns with dings and dents in them. They aren't "soft", but slides aren't supposed to be 60Rc, either.
I have a Llama XI-B, and a IIIA, but I'll do just that.
Ok, that lost me.
No, but several importers did.
Treo
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You asked me if the original Llama that I bought that I bought was new or used I over answered the question (My Fault) to clarify
The first llama I ever bought (.45 ACP) was purchased new from Specialty Sports in Colorado Springs
The second Llama I ever bought (.32 ACP) was purchased new from High Country Motor Cycles in Colorado Springs
The third Llama I bought (9mm) was purchased used from Ace Loans in Colorado Springs. Mechanically that was the worst of the three and I will concede that it may have left the factory in fine shape, but the magazines were still very pricey
The llama my wife owns today (hasn’t fired it in over a year) was purchased used at a Prospectors Sertoma gun show in Colorado Springs. It looked like somebody bought it fired half a box of ammunition through it and decided to get rid of it (judging by the half a box of ammunition that came with it)
Is your question sufficiently and clearly answered now?
Umm why would an importer hire machinists to work on complete guns?
.455_Hunter
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My brother bought a NIB .45 Llama in the mid 1980s. It was more accurate than a Colt Gold Cup bought by a friend at the same time. Unfortunately, that was the highlight of its career. By the time I became custodian of it (not that many rounds fired), the sear assembly was worn to the point the if you put the thumb safety on, tried to pull the trigger, then released the safety, the hammer would fall to half cock. 
I don't fire it now because I fear it might just go full auto on me...
It currently exists as an emergency SHTF gun with a 50 round box of ball at my parents house. The single supplied factory magazine works well, but the aftermarket mag marked "Llama" is a POS.
I don't fire it now because I fear it might just go full auto on me...It currently exists as an emergency SHTF gun with a 50 round box of ball at my parents house. The single supplied factory magazine works well, but the aftermarket mag marked "Llama" is a POS.
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JR47
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Interarms, and CAI long employed "machinists" to do minor repair on warranty guns, especially on surplus, or out of production guns. They've even changed calibers in some, like the French MAS.
Treo
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I don't think that would have applied
Chukpike
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After reading all the posts in this topic I feel very lucky. I bought a Llama X1-A about ten years ago and have been completely satisfied with it. It seemed to be in new condition and I did not pay much for it. Came in original case with owners manual. The extra magazines I have bought for it have also worked fine. These have been cheap generic magazines.
I do like to clean my guns after use. That's just they way I was taught. For ammunition I tend to buy what ever is cheapest and it has all seemed to work fine.
The only magazine that did not work was a high tech mag that another shooter raved about and thought I should buy. The top of the magazine caught the bolt and kept slide from closing. I think I could have rapped the magazine on the top and fixed it, but it was his magazine and I wasn't going to buy it anyway.
I consider it a safe reliable pistol. It has been as reliable as any of the 1911s I fired in the service.
I do like to clean my guns after use. That's just they way I was taught. For ammunition I tend to buy what ever is cheapest and it has all seemed to work fine.
The only magazine that did not work was a high tech mag that another shooter raved about and thought I should buy. The top of the magazine caught the bolt and kept slide from closing. I think I could have rapped the magazine on the top and fixed it, but it was his magazine and I wasn't going to buy it anyway.
I consider it a safe reliable pistol. It has been as reliable as any of the 1911s I fired in the service.
JR47
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Of all the posters, Treo is the one that has had, in his opinion, the worst luck with the Brand. As I told him, I have been unable to replicate what occurred to him with any of my pistols by removing various combinations of parts. It happened, I'm sure, I just don't know how.
Treo
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Nope there was one other guy who said he had one fall apart on him too
I was there when it happened and I'm not sure
JR47
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Ah well, Merry Christmas EVERYONE.
HogManMagnum
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Yes, Merry Christmas to all. And thanks for taking my little Llama thread as far as you have
BTW, Chukpike, you said:
do u mean the IX-A which is a .45 like mine or the XI-A which is a 9mm 1911?
im just being technical but there is no llama x1-a...
BTW, Chukpike, you said:
do u mean the IX-A which is a .45 like mine or the XI-A which is a 9mm 1911?
im just being technical but there is no llama x1-a...
Chukpike
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"do u mean the IX-A which is a .45 like mine or the XI-A which is a 9mm 1911?
im just being technical but there is no llama x1-a..." HogMan Magnum
Yes you are correct IX-A 45cal. Just out of curiosity does anyone know where I could find out the year manufactured, Serial # is A948XX?
im just being technical but there is no llama x1-a..." HogMan Magnum
Yes you are correct IX-A 45cal. Just out of curiosity does anyone know where I could find out the year manufactured, Serial # is A948XX?
Mad Magyar
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I could guess and say late 1970's, but look at the markings around the trigger guard (symbols, letters) and let us know...There is a date code in our Spanish reference books..
Rex B
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Chukpike
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Here is what I found.
The first symbol was there.
The second symbol was there with out a letter inside.
The year symbol looked like a dash, period and the number 2. The dash and period were inline with the top of the 2. The 2 and the dot are very clear.
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2 sort of like this.
The dash could be the top of a E or F but not a Tor Z as The gun cannot be newer than 1998 as that is when I got it.
It does have the following on the right side of the slide:
GABILONDOY CIA. VITORIA(ESPANA)
On the right side of the frame above the trigger is stamped:
STOEGER INDUSTRIES S. HACKENSACK N.J. Made in Spain
The first symbol was there.
The second symbol was there with out a letter inside.
The year symbol looked like a dash, period and the number 2. The dash and period were inline with the top of the 2. The 2 and the dot are very clear.
_.
2 sort of like this.
The dash could be the top of a E or F but not a Tor Z as The gun cannot be newer than 1998 as that is when I got it.
It does have the following on the right side of the slide:
GABILONDOY CIA. VITORIA(ESPANA)
On the right side of the frame above the trigger is stamped:
STOEGER INDUSTRIES S. HACKENSACK N.J. Made in Spain
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