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there is a man at 700 yards shooting at your house and hitting, what rifle do you grab? how do you set up? :what:
my Howa M1500 is the only long range setup we own. So I'd grab it.
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Longest range rifle I have is a Mosin 91/30.

I'd just head to the basement with my family and call the po-po. Here in CT suburbia their response time is about 2-4 mins.
 
there is a man at 700 yards shooting at your house and hitting, what rifle do you grab? how do you set up?
my Howa M1500 is the only long range setup we own. So I'd grab it.
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I'm no lawyer, and I know nothing about the self defense laws in your area, but I would think that you would have a hard time convincing the police, the district attorney, and a jury that a man at 700 yards posed enough of a risk to justify shooting them.
 
I'm no lawyer, and I know nothing about the self defense laws in your area, but I would think that you would have a hard time convincing the police, the district attorney, and a jury that a man at 700 yards posed enough of a risk to justify shooting them.
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Now granted this scenario is way into the "fantasy land" area but that statement there is so wrong it is not even funny. IF there was some idiot shooting and HITTING your home and you could SEE that is was purposeful and intended then you are damn right you have every right in the world to return fire. klineia, the statement you just made makes no sense whatsoever. If there was someone in your driveway shooting at your house ,with your children present in the house, are you saying that you would not return fire? I have several weapons in my home that would be more than capable of 700 yard kills and someone intentionally firing into my home from whatever distance would find out the hard way just how capable they AND I are!
 
First I would break out a .22LR - Iron sighted. Then after 2 bricks try one with a scope.
I would next transition to the M1 carbine.

Seriously at 700 yds away I would not return fire. I would take cover and call the police. Why would you expose yourself to try to determine exactly where he is? He has the advantage at that point and would be just waiting for you to expose yourself. And why would someone who is capable of making 700yd hits waste time alerting you with pot shots?

Let me ask you how would you determine his range? How would you determine his position?

Have you ever had rounds come over you while pulling targets? On 1 stage at 600 we had 2 guys hit the spindle of the hole marker on a day with tricky wind.
 
Hmmm JD.
I think another 14 year old. F.A.R. Owns that Howa M1500. Your TWIN?
 
Now granted this scenario is way into the "fantasy land" area but that statement there is so wrong it is not even funny. IF there was some idiot shooting and HITTING your home and you could SEE that is was purposeful and intended then you are damn right you have every right in the world to return fire. klineia, the statement you just made makes no sense whatsoever. If there was someone in your driveway shooting at your house ,with your children present in the house, are you saying that you would not return fire? I have several weapons in my home that would be more than capable of 700 yard kills and someone intentionally firing into my home from whatever distance would find out the hard way just how capable they AND I are!
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I think your analysis of the situation makes no sense whatsoever. Let's say someone is shooting at your house from 700 yards. They probably have some cover and good equipment. You are going to have to do all of the following steps correctly, under pressure.
-Find the shooter.
-Set up a shooting perch somewhere that he isn't going to see you.
-Use a range finder to accurately gauge distance.
-Gauge wind.
-Use load data to correctly adjust your scope for both elevation and windage.
-Make a good shot from a very long distance.

There aren't very many people that could actually complete those steps correctly and I honestly think that anyone who managed to do it would be viewed very sceptically in many locales.

At that kind of distance, I think you're a lot better off in an interior room than exposing yourself to the shooter by opening a window or going out on a balcony to actually get a shot off. Keep in mind the whole time that you're fiddling with the scope, you will be exposed unless you happen to have a shooting perch that is hidden from view.
 
Have you ever had rounds come over you while pulling targets? On 1 stage at 600 we had 2 guys hit the spindle of the hole marker on a day with tricky wind.
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Ahhhhh those were the good ole fun days :evil: We used to do that on occasion for giggles (KP afterwards because the C.O. got pissed was not so giggly :( )

Klineia, I was not saying that it would be SMART to do so, I was saying that you would be well within your LEGAL rights to do so. As far as your answer goes, why would someone that is trained as I am for long distance acquisition and fire, has seen battle more times than I care to count, has been "under the gun" so to speak. Had rounds screaming over my head while acquiring a target, formulating distance and wind variables and returning fire, Why would I be viewed "sceptically" by the locals? Because I successfully defended my home and my children?
 
Someone's been stayin' up too late, watching Buzz Lightyear and such. Heck, I'll play.

I got myself a customized Red Rider, with 50 MOA NF bases, NF rings and a NF 12-42 power scope! Well, actually, it's a paper towel tube mounted with fishin' line, and duct tape. I had the trigger reduced from 17 to 9 pounds.

The deadliest aspect is I had some custom-made BBs; they're teflon-coated. Course I had to make a custom bipod for it. I used mom's knitting needles, and man if that didn't urinate her off! :D Course, my dad's upset cuz I used his fishin' knife for a bayonet. Then, I figured how dumb that was, seein's how the sniper is at 700 yards. Planning is everything.

Now if you'd excuse me, mom's emptyin' out two tomato soup cans so we can make a communication system with my neighbors. Can you say planning on cross-fire?! :eek: Oh yeah, and ya'll shoulda see'd the look on ma's face when dad suggested I use her girdle for body armour. Then my mom suggested...well, I better not repeat that part.

Geno
 
I think what you should consider is that all the jobs you are going to want when you grow up involve psychological exams. When you apply to the CIA or police or dang near anywhere they're going to search the Internet first. Just a thought here but an obsession with killing people is probably not what you want them to find.
 
"Ahhhhh those were the good ole fun days We used to do that on occasion for giggles (KP afterwards because the C.O. got pissed was not so giggly ) "

It really gives a different perspective on the power of a rifle round. It is also a pain in the butt to repair the big hole in the target. I like to pull targets for guys that never hit the spindle but are not all over the place. Always moving the paddle gets old too. It is easy to pull for a good shooter, easier to find the bullet hole. Right near the last hole.
 
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there is a man at 700 yards shooting at your house and hitting, what rifle do you grab? how do you set up? :what:
my Howa M1500 is the only long range setup we own. So I'd grab it.
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I would love to see your Howa make a 1st round hit at 700 yards. If its anything like mine or others I have heard about you would not be able to do that at 200 yards much less 700 yards....



I think that you have a overactive imagination. No one is going to sit 700 yards from your house and shoot off some lame shots and not hit you. If they are doing that they are pissed at you. Generally speaking people who are going to rob you are going to come INTO your house before they start shooting it up...

I guess if you have 700 yard range around your house you would live kinda far out there... So my advice would be don't sleep with other farmers wives and you wont have anything to worry about :)


Got to ask though why 700 yards?
 
If someone is shooting at your house from 700 yards away - grab a cell phone and call 911. :rolleyes:

Art or taliv may reopen this thread if they think that my closing a thread in their forum is inappropriate, but frankly this thread is (IMO) too stupid to live.
 
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