M&P to be replaced with another M&P

[grayhambone]

A certain South East Highway Patrol, as recent as the last 5 years went from the Sig 229 to the M&P .357. They are now about to get new M&P's when the new trigger comes out. The reason they are getting the new updated M&P????
The current m&p they carry has rusted from the inside out. OOOHHHHH M&P fans not a bad gun but this is for real. Atleast they fixed it.

 

[ExMachina]

you mean the internals rusted? the slide is stainless.

 

[Manson]

It sounds like a certain South East Highway patrol may have forgotten what lube and routine maintenance is. Who knows the kind of abuse these guns have seen. I'd like to know how many guns actually rusted. A few examples or every one of them.

I've seen stories similar like this in the past. They turn out to be more about the dept wanting new sidearms than guns disintegrating to a pile of rust.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

OOOHHHHH M&P fans not a bad gun but this is for real.

Huh?

Machines are made by man. They work if they are taken care of. They fail and fall apart if they are not. Sounds like this department forgot to take care of their machines.

 

[danez71]

The coating they use will actually degrade the anti rusting properties of SS if not done right.

There were some a couple/few years ago that got out that had rusting issues.

Its an old issue on a few that was warrantied and solved years ago.

 

[grayhambone]

correct. they got the m&p's when they first came out. You can't expect an officer to clean his firearm everyday or week for that matter.

 

[Smith357]

You can't expect an officer to clean his firearm everyday or week for that matter.

Sure you can, you make inspections routine and fine those with dirty weapons and ratty gear. We never had an issue with rust in the USMC and we were stationed in a swamp.

 

[Nordeste]

Gray, that depends very much on the officer. There actually are cops who do clean and enjoy cleaning and caring for their duty weapon on a regular basis.

 

[ResidentFarmer]

You can't expect an officer to clean his firearm everyday or week for that matter? This firearm may save my life or the life of someone else, and I can't be bothered to make sure it is clean and functioning properly? If this is the case then this department is seriously lacking in training and responsibility.

 

[jolly roger]

I can absolutely guarantee you that I have inspected and wiped down my duty weapon, if not fully cleaned, at least weekly...over the last 32 years as an LEO. I am I confess in the vast minority and that's why we inspect weapons at least monthly. I suspect weapon inspection in a highway patrol setting would be problematic. They tend not to have line ups and roll calls like urban PDs which is when we do the inspections.

 

[danez71]

From my understanding... for that specific problem its not a cleaning issue.

The guns rusted no matter what. I may be over stating but realistically they rusted given any practicle amount of care... as in.. its not practicle to leave it in a bucket of oil to prevent it.

 

[Skylerbone]

Those which were improperly treated (yes some experienced problems with the Melonite coating) began rusting and pitting severely and immediately. Not after 5 years. Not from the inside out. It's called stainless not impervious and when things aren't cared for they break. Don't believe me? Unscrew the plug in your oil pan and go for a ride.

More of the same here, time for another Saw a Glock Kaboom! thread. Sad how closed minded folks are to the choices of others.

 

[Paris]

correct. they got the m&p's when they first came out. You can't expect an officer to clean his firearm everyday or week for that matter.

Why not? It's his job.

Besides, the more frequently you clean a gun, the less there is to clean. If you cleaned it once a week it would be gravy. If you cleaned it every six months after putting 1,000 rounds through it and wearing it 12 hours a day, five days a week, yeah cleaning it will be time consuming.

Sprinkle some common sense on the issue.

 

[TxSoldier]

I wish I could afford to put 1,000rds through my duty weapon every six months!! We lost a large chunk of our funds for ammo and are only going to qualify one time this year, or so I've heard.

I shoot as often as I can on my own, Every few weeks if possible. 40S&W adds up quick unfortunately.

 

[allaroundhunter]

You can't expect an officer to clean his firearm everyday or week for that matter.

An officer's weapon can mean the difference between going home to take care of his family at night, and his family having to arrange a memorial service. It can also mean the same to someone that he or she is sworn to protect.

So yes, I do expect them to clean their weapon at least on a bi-weekly basis. And if their weapon has gotten dirty (from rain or a scuffle with a suspect, etc.), I expect them to clean it ASAP.

The loudest sound in a gunfight is, "click".

 

[REAPER4206969]

The early examples were finished improperly and they rusted no matter how well you cared for them.

S&W replaced my slide and installed night sights free when mine rusted.

 

[CZF]

What new trigger?

At least they are still using the proper caliber!

I think the new SHIELD 9mm is wonderful, but if they
Can produce them in .40 they can do it in .357 SIG
As well.

 

[CZguy]

correct. they got the m&p's when they first came out. You can't expect an officer to clean his firearm everyday or week for that matter.

Of course you can expect that. I clean my carry gun weekly and daily if it got wet.

If you think about it, what would it say about an individual who was unwilling to maintain a piece of equipment that could save his life?

 

[19-3Ben]

So does this mean we are going to start seeing police surplus M&Ps on the market? That'd be nice.

 

[allaroundhunter]

What new trigger?

New production M&P's are coming stock with an improved trigger (over the previous models).

 

[ku4hx]

Sounds like a certain SE law dog outfit is basically ignorant when it comes to preventive maintenance and proper lubrication.

I've got guns that are all carbon steel and over a century old; some I bought and some I inherited. Not a single one of them has a spec of rust. Baring metallurgical defects and alloy deficiencies, guns rust or corrode because of negligent users. I wouldn't think M&P fans have cause to worry or feel bad because a bunch of yahoos let their guns rust. That's like blaming Ford because you neglected to put oil in your truck's engine before you drove it.

Being a state agency, guess who is paying for the negligence?