M1 carbine range report

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jski: Mustang51,

You might want to do what what I did. Replace your slide with a first class one made of 4130 steel heat treated to 35Rc.
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I've been thinking about buying one of those since I saw your earlier post, jski. Was your new slide "plug and play"? Had your original slide broken?

I'm not sure how common broken slides are with these rifles.

I don't mind buying one if broken slides are common. I got this carbine from a friend for $75 because someone had told him it was dangerous to shoot. I haven't shot it a lot (maybe a couple of hundred rounds through it), but it is accurate and has given me no trouble.
 
Purely a prophylactic measure. I still have the old one, just in case.

And yep, it was strictly plug-and-play. BUT remember, they're 2 version of the slide (check out the attachment). Check your Universal out to make sure you order the correct one!
 

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kBob: I am so very sorry, to hear of Your Father's death. I wish I could say something to You that could take some of the pain away that You are experiencing now. You must remain strong on this for Your Family they really needs You now.

eastbank: Your description of a Firefight to me is IMHO 100% Spot On. If that matters a Tinker's Damn to anyone anymore. Again I am so sorry about the loss of Your Friend ((( DENNIS HARMON ))) all thoes many years ago. Nothing I can say can take Your Grief away, but I wish I could. But Your friend and mine that we lost so many years ago in Viet Nam will always remain Young. Unlike the Two Old Men we see in the mirror each morning shaving.

Mustang51: I have used SP Ammo in my M1 Carbine for many years and it has always worked very well for me. I have never had a feeding problem with SP Ammo in any of my Carbines.
ken
 
My father carried an M1 (later M2) Carbine throughout World War II, Korea and Vietnam. He loved it. While he shot expert with both the 1911 pistol and the M1 Garand, he said he near carried a Garand other than at the rifle range and he only carried his pistol when it was inappropriate to be carrying his Carbine.
 
I've wondered if the SP ammo feeds well in the carbine. have you tried any?
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I had a Universal for many years (my Dad got mad at me one time and got rid of it while I was away at college, but that's a story for another time). It would digest full metal jacket, soft point, hollow point and lead bullet ammunition all day from 15 round magazines no matter who had manufactured the magazine. But it would not feed anything other than full metal jacket from any of the 30 round magazines I had. The 30 round magazines held the bullet at a slightly different angle and when the bolt tried to strip a round from the magazine, it would drive it into the bottom of the feed ramp. Nothing I or the local gunsmith did would fix the problem, but it all became moot when I came home and there was no gun to plug the magazines into.

Sentimentality (and the nearly 500 rounds of ammunition I still have) makes me want to get another M1 Carbine, but when I see the prices people are asking for them, I decide I'd rather have a new AR instead. Besides, those magazines still work great in my 5.7mm Johnson carbine.
 
CPT-T, thanks. we grew up together and played sports in high school(he was much better than i), we even dated the same girl. DENNIS GUY HARMON PFC us army, killed april 14-1966, hostile,died-wounds. MUSTANG51, sorry i didn,t mean to hijack your thread. eastbank.
 
Another old guy here who carried an M1 carbine in 68/69. Still have one beside the bed and a rott. Great minds think alike
I agree the yards were fearless and loyal and deseved better.

I was a medic and got mine from the arvn. There was brief period of 10 days when a new company commander told me I could not carry it. I had the job of zipping his body bag. Cause of death = he wouldnt listen to anyone.
New CO could care less about it as long as you did your job.

Good thread.

Welcome home brothers.
 
kBob

Sorry to hear about the loss of your father. My dad passed a number of years ago and I still miss him every day. He was an infantryman in the ETO during WWII. Got to see France and Germany the hard way. Shot Expert with the M1 Garand but loved to take the M1 Carbine along on those "little" 20 mile hikes they used to take during training. He would gladly trade a couple of packs of cigarettes to borrow one of the cook's M1 Carbine to help lighten the load.
 
I have an Inland, an IBM, and a Plainfield. Neat little rifles, love to shoot them! I can imagine they'd be quite handy for CQB. I keep the Plainfield by my headboard too.
 
I have a Plainfield as well and have just finished sorting it out. The session at the range later today will be to confirm that it's cycling properly and feeding whatever I have in the mag each time... Once that's done it will go into service as a vehicle defensive weapon - ammo will be soft points (probably PPU -what I've had the best results with...).
 
bikerdoc: Quite often a new 03 or 04, had the ((( I won`t listen to any body syndrome ))). And quite often it personally cost them dearly. It was a shame, but it happened a lot more than it should have. We also called it the ((( John Wayne Complects ))). Your testosterone level, could get you and your men in all kind of unnecessary trouble. I served under several Prima Donnas that had that very kind of problem. I despised them for getting getting us hurt.
ken
 
Beautiful pieces and it's always good to get them out of the safe, dust them off and sling a little FMC down the barrel.

I picked up my Underwood for about $300 back in the mid 90's and thought I was getting raped, but really wanted an M1 Carbine.

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My son, claimed this as his own when he was about 5 or 6 years old. If we ever needed to "bug out" this was his "battle rifle". He shot it quite well at the range and just loved it unit he was bit by the AR bug.

Something about this little carbine that makes it such a sweet little carbine and a blast to shoot. Thanks for sharing!

ROCK6
 
cpt-t said:
I carried a M1 Carbine quite often in Viet Nam in 68 & 69 and then again in 71 & 72. And they always performed very well for me. They were easy to carry and maintain and I never had any of them fail me. I still have some magazines I brought back home with me from Viet Nam and they still work without any problems. I have had a Inland M1 Carbine and a Ruger Blackhawk in 30 Carbine for many years. That I shoot quite often with no problems with either, and both are really very accurate for what they are. I have also been reloading for the 30 Carbine for many years which is very easy to do. And I find the 1/2 jacketed 100 0r 110 grain bullets works very well for Hunting or HD. My Old Inland 30 Carbine sets right by my side of the bed against the wall at night with one 30 round magazine in the rifle and another 30 rounder and flash lite on my night stand. And My Big Old Rottweiler Dog sleeps at the foot of my bed to make sure I wake up should a problem arise and I need to. I like the M1 Carbine, always have and probably always will.
ken
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In Vietnam, was the carbine effective at close range? Because many people complain about it's stopping power.. just curious as to what you though about it's effectiveness!
 
Reloadron said:
Always a fun little rifle to shoot. You got me thinking, my own haven't seen daylight in going on 20 years. Anyway, glad you managed some time to get your's out and enjoy them. They shot well considering the rifle isn't quite a target type rifle.

Ron
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You can say that again.

I can keep mine on a paper plate at 100 yards. I'm sure it's better than that but we are both about the same age.

When there's lead in the air, there's always hope.
 
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Ruggz1515 said:
In Vietnam, was the carbine effective at close range? Because many people complain about it's stopping power.. just curious as to what you though about it's effectiveness!
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For a first-hand account of the effectiveness of the M-1 carbine, I recommend reading "To Hell and Back", an autobiography by Audie Murphy. He preferred it to the Garand and used the little rifle to great effect.

35W
 
I was always told there were some full auto versions of this gun.....is this just legend? I didnt go to VN, they stopped the draft just before I would have gone. (61 years old)

Russellc
 
RussellC,

The M2 Carbine was basically an M1 with a few extra parts and a modified stock. The M-1 Carbine was issued in WWII with a 15 round magazine and was semi auto only. The M2 featured a fatter fore grip and besides the parts to make it select fire (the selector was up by the front of the ejecton port but on the shooters left side) it also featured a beefed up magazine catch that featured a side lug. The 30 round magazine had besides the two little humps on the back for the M1 magazine catch , a third on the left side which this new mag catch also caught.

Many M1s that have issues with the 30 round magazine simply do not have an M2 magazine catch. The other issue is that most 30 rounders out there are not GI issue. The CMP has an excellent article about that in their carbine section.

Most GI carbines found out there today have been through a rebuild or three. The earliest M1s had a simple non adjustable (well you could drift it) rear sight that was an L shaped two aperature affair. This sight was replaced by the more familure windage adjustable rear sight with range markings (actual zero for range was still via replacing or reducing the front sight blade). Original design also did not have a bayonet lug and the front barrel band was very thin. Second model bands were wider, Third model bands included the commonly seen bayonet lug.

When the M1s got rebuilt most ended up in the fat belly M2 stocks as well. Most M1 carbines you find to day are in these stocks with a fore arm swell and a notch on the left side of the action area for the selector. The shape in the earlist M1 stocks oiler hole was also different (Shaped like an "I" with serifs) While later and M2 stocks had a simple slot.

Though it had a few extra parts and a heavier stock the difference in the weight of an M2 compared to an M1 was negligible. The cyclic rate on the M2 on auto was about 750 rpm depending on weather conditions and such. This high rate of fire and a traditionally styled stock lead some to claim it was not controllable in full auto fire. When burst of seven or ten rounds where fired this was true, and that should be no surprise. When fired in short 2 to 3 round bursts at close combat ranges (rock/ grenade throwing ranges) the burst can be kept on a kneeling man target. That is to say it works as designed.

The M3 carbine was an M2 carbine with a IR Snooper Scope and its filtered light source affixed. The light source was basically a 60 watt household light bulb with an IR filter on it and the power pack was basically a motorcycle battery in a canvas belt pouch with a power cable between the pouch and device. At the end of WWII there was an M1 based version of this called the T1 that some claimed was responsible for most of the direct fire rifle kills on Okinawa during that battle.

Oddest thing about Carbine lore is the stories of it ineffectiveness. Marshall and Sano had a couple of hundred reports of single shots of a carbine to the chest of humans. With Full Metal Jacket of GI or commercial make they reported full penetration of the victim in every case and reported 90 percent one shot stops. 90 percent one shot stops just does not sound very ineffective to me.

-kBob
 
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