M1 Garand Problem
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Reloadron
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I built the rifle 20 years ago as a result of a mistake. I don't want to derail this thread but Brownell's shipped me two of them rather than the .308 barrels I ordered. I got the barrels a day before heading to Montgomery Community College, Troy, NC for a NRA Gunsmith class on the M1 Garand. They later shipped the .308 Winchester barrels free of charge. Still have a brand new twenty year old .308 barrel.
Anyway, I built the rifle for the class with what I had so we ended up with a 7mm-08 Garand. It was a good image of a barrel marking so I posted it. No, it could never be a "Service Rifle" but is a very good shooter and was my first M1 Garand accurizing and bedding job. Agree, the AR-10 has no business in "Service Rifle" class.
Ron
Reloadron
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Lets recap : you fired two shots of Greek surplus and the mechanism jammed closed on top of the fired rounds. Also, the fired cases had ripped rims.
Next you verified the chamber, the gun, was clean and nothing was jammed in the chamber/throat/barrel and shot four rounds of Greek surplus and the fourth round did not eject from the rifle.
Then you fired nice, fresh commercial ammunition and the mechanism functioned flawlessly.
In spite of all the protestations and assertions that CMP Greek surplus is excellent, first-class, first-rate, exceptional, outstanding, superior, the standard by which all Garand ammunition is compared, and therefore the most exceptional and superb ammunition in all the world, your rifle seems not to be shooting it well.
Nothing you did which will change the minds of the faithful, but I think your Greek ammunition is overpressure. If the ammunition is overpressure, which happens to gunpowder as it ages, then when that overpressure wave rolls over the gas port, the high port pressure that occurs will over accelerate the operating rod. Now if you had been firing ammunition this high pressure in a M16 in Vietnam, you would have experienced the same sort of malfunction, and lots of good American boys did, and many of them died because they did not have time to clear the jam before the VC shot them. So, lucky you, you were not in a life threatening situation because this ammunition surely would have got you killed in a combat, regardless of what all the “experts” say about the wonderfulness of the stuff.
When ammunition is overpressure for semi or full automatic weapons the typical failure mechanism is a ripped rim and a case left in the chamber. I have no doubt that this ammunition when new, was of correct pressures, both for chamber and gas port. But, this stuff is about three decades old now. There are many nasties about old gunpowder, one of which is something called burn rate instability. Old gunpowder burns irregularly, the pressure waves interact, and pressures rise. As we have seen in this thread, this is not something that the general shooting community believes, because they have this irrational expectation that they, and their ammunition, are immortal and will last all eternity in perfect perpetual youth. Believers in earthly immortality are doomed to be disappointed.
Since this Greek ammunition is beyond a safe shelf life, I would recommend you pull the bullets, dump the powder, and examine both the bullets and cases. If you perceive green corrosion, which is a by product of gunpowder deterioration, on the bottom of the bullets, such as what is in these pictures:
I would recommend sectioning some cases to see if the interior of the cases is covered with green corrosion, such as pictured in this thread:
Has anyone else had Vihtavuori N140 corrode in loaded ammo?
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3745264
If your ammunition looks like this, I would simply dump the stuff.
Corrosion like I have never seen
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=542632
I would not shoot any more of this stuff as it is only a matter of time till one of these rounds blows up your rifle. However if the cases are not corroded, it is worth the risk to load with fresh, new gunpowder, and shoot the stuff. If you have any sort of case neck splits, I would discontinue.
Surplus military weapons are worth less than their scrap metal value because the paperwork tracking their demilling is such a bother, and no first World nation allows these things to be sold to their Citizens. Finding a cash customer for old surplus sidearms is an achievement. Old munitions are quite hazardous stuff and becomes more dangerous during the demilling process. I am quite certain those clever Greeks were happy to sell their old and deteriorated ammunition to clueless American buyers. I believe the Greeks sized up their giddy American customers as fools and sold them 30-06 ammunition that they knew was past its due date, but kept the good stuff for their M1919’s and BAR’s. Even that inventory will age, and in time, will make its way to the American market once it is examined and determined to be too unsafe to store or to issue.
The_Armed_Therapist
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I did answer the first two. Yes, I cleaned it really well; but, will do a bunch more just to be sure. There was no brass stuck in the chamber. As for pitting, it's hard to get a good look at the whole chamber, but what I can see looks pretty good. Will check further when I get a chance.
It certainly appears to be a problem with the Greek surplus ammo. I'll be taking it to a real range this weekend (hopefully) to get a better sample size. I have used plenty of the Greek surplus ammo in Garands and various bolt actions over the years without a problem. I'm certainly open to this stuff being bad for this rifle, though. Thank you very much for your comments.
Now that you know the stuff is overpressure, don't assume it will be a consistent overpressure, one round might be super overpressure. A machine gunner friend of mine did not understand why 1950's Yugo was "blowing the top cover" until I explained the little problem with age and ammunition.
I used to be as clueless as the rest about ammunition and gunpowder lifetime. I read the same old garbage put out by the industry that ammunition lasts almost forever, and when it goes bad, it becomes benign. This of course is totally rubbish and I believe, designed to get you the cash customer, to buy old ammunition and gunpowder without hesitation. Unlike bamboo, which has a consistent, measurable flowering and death cycle , gunpowder is not so nice in showing us a distinct end period. But when it goes, its goes.
Based on what I know about military stockpile surveillance, I do not believe that any of the surplus ammunition on the market was removed from inventory for any other set of reasons that it was too dangerous to store and too dangerous to issue. Not every round of course, but enough rounds in the Ammunition Technician's sample tested bad that that particular lot of ammunition was surplused because it failed a surveillance test. So this ammunition, rejected because it was old and unstable, is not getting any better. I stopped buying surplus ammunition once I realized the original owner had kept the stuff up to the point where tests determined it was too risky to keep in inventory. I don't recommend buying decades old ammunition unless you can get if for next to nothing, and even then, I don't recommend letting it sit around. Shoot it up as its shelf life ended a while ago.
For those with very valuable firearms, and I particularly mean machine guns, I know these guys and how they want to shoot lots of cheap ammunition. If anyone has noticed, there is a limited supply of machine guns available to civilians and the price on the things keeps on going up. If the registered part is destroyed in an explosion, that machine gun cannot be resurrected. Some machine guns are now above $100,000 and blowing one of those into pieces, because the owner wanted to save on ammunition cost, is a poor economic tradeoff. I have read a post where this happened, and the owner is out the machine gun and the hundred thousand dollars he spent on the thing. I believe the average machine gun is getting to be around $20,000 or so, which still is not cheap.
You said you cleaned the chamber but you did not say you used a chamber brush.
I had the exact same issue with a rifle that took alot of scrubbing with a "chamber brush" In fact in the end I had to put a brush on rod from the muzzle and run it on a drill to get it scrubbed to where it would eject brass.
A mop and solevant is not enough, you need to try a "chamber brush"
I had the exact same issue with a rifle that took alot of scrubbing with a "chamber brush" In fact in the end I had to put a brush on rod from the muzzle and run it on a drill to get it scrubbed to where it would eject brass.
A mop and solevant is not enough, you need to try a "chamber brush"
The_Armed_Therapist
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Yes, I did use a chamber brush. I took that for granted, and don't think I realized people would clean a chamber without one. LOL
Vern Humphrey
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Did you use a Garand Chamber Brush? That brush has a plastic ratchet on the end, and you insert a cleaning rod and rotate the brush vigorously in the chamber.
Slamfire just stop spreading misinformation.
You post about ammo going bad and you use as evidence a link to '77 HXP that was a bad year / batch that made the entire year untrustworthy. Has nothing to do with your premise.
Surplus ammo is just that, SURPLUS. It is extra that they don't need. If it were unsafe to shoot they certainly wouldn't be peddling it to the public. Use some common sense please.
If ammo goes bad it is pretty obvious, like in the pictures you posted. Listen to Orlando as he is correct. There are folks using powder to reload that has been around since the 40's. If stored properly, there is virtually no limit to the shelf life of ammunition and powder.
OP listen to Orlando.
You post about ammo going bad and you use as evidence a link to '77 HXP that was a bad year / batch that made the entire year untrustworthy. Has nothing to do with your premise.
Surplus ammo is just that, SURPLUS. It is extra that they don't need. If it were unsafe to shoot they certainly wouldn't be peddling it to the public. Use some common sense please.
If ammo goes bad it is pretty obvious, like in the pictures you posted. Listen to Orlando as he is correct. There are folks using powder to reload that has been around since the 40's. If stored properly, there is virtually no limit to the shelf life of ammunition and powder.
OP listen to Orlando.
stonecutter2
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There's nothing wrong with firing some over the counter 30-06 in a Garand. Not ALL, but some.
And I'd bet that even a small amount of firing with the wrong kind, to diagnose a problem, wouldn't be catastrophic to the Garand.
smithman 10
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HXP
Slamfire - I've been reading your posts about deteriorated ammo and HXP in response to the OP's problem.
I would be interested to know if there have been any reported catastrophic failures with any lot of HXP that have destroyed or damaged rifles and injured shooters. Can you tell us of some such incident?
I ask this because I have been shooting HXP for years in both my CMP Garand and my CMP 1903A3, with no real problems. I did note right away that with some HXP rounds (and I never bothered to check the year) that it took a little more force to close the bolt on the A3. But I never had any problem opening the bolt.
And no problems with the Garand and HXP period.
Do I need to worry about anything else than what I have already experienced? Is there really a chance of a catastrophic event, which is what you seem to have implied?
Let us know please. Thanks.
Slamfire - I've been reading your posts about deteriorated ammo and HXP in response to the OP's problem.
I would be interested to know if there have been any reported catastrophic failures with any lot of HXP that have destroyed or damaged rifles and injured shooters. Can you tell us of some such incident?
I ask this because I have been shooting HXP for years in both my CMP Garand and my CMP 1903A3, with no real problems. I did note right away that with some HXP rounds (and I never bothered to check the year) that it took a little more force to close the bolt on the A3. But I never had any problem opening the bolt.
And no problems with the Garand and HXP period.
Do I need to worry about anything else than what I have already experienced? Is there really a chance of a catastrophic event, which is what you seem to have implied?
Let us know please. Thanks.
In 1991 I was issued 1200 rounds of ammunition for my M2 Heavy Barrel Caliber .50 Machine Gun that was in the Commander's Weapon Station (CWS) of my M1A1 Heavy Common Abrams Main Battle Tank. The ammunition I was issued was a 4 to 1 mix of M8 Armor Piercing Incendiary (API) and M20 Armor Piercing Incendiary - Tracer (API-T).
The curious thing was that it came in M2 ammo cans instead of M2A1 ammo cans. The M2 cans would not fit the weapons mount on my CWS which was designed to use the M2A1 ammo cans. This was because the M2 cans were the side opening cans from WWII. Luckily I had three M2A1 cans on board my tank with tools and parts in them. We switched the ammo into the those cans. As I expended the .50 my loader would have to refill the empty can from the issued M2 side opening cans. So that we would be able to reload the weapon.
The head stamp on the ammo was LC 43. So I was issued 48 year old ammunition to head into battle.
I fired every round of it with no failures and no stoppages.
The curious thing was that it came in M2 ammo cans instead of M2A1 ammo cans. The M2 cans would not fit the weapons mount on my CWS which was designed to use the M2A1 ammo cans. This was because the M2 cans were the side opening cans from WWII. Luckily I had three M2A1 cans on board my tank with tools and parts in them. We switched the ammo into the those cans. As I expended the .50 my loader would have to refill the empty can from the issued M2 side opening cans. So that we would be able to reload the weapon.
The head stamp on the ammo was LC 43. So I was issued 48 year old ammunition to head into battle.
I fired every round of it with no failures and no stoppages.
Run a cleaning rod down the bore and a 45 cal brush to it on the chamber end. Use Bore Paste on brush and attach a drill to end sticking out of the muzzle. Clean the heck out of the chamber,wipe out bore paste with mop, rag etc, clean with solevant. May need to do this multiple times. Chamber may have rust etc
Its not a uncommon issue
Its not a uncommon issue
smithman 10
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HXP today
Well I'm off to the range either today or tomorrow to shoot my 03A3 and Garand with assorted HXP, just as I have on numerous times in the past 10 years or so.
I was hoping slamfire would answer my question about the likelihood of my blowing up either of these rifles but no such luck.
Guess I'll take my chances. If you never hear from me again you'll know what happened!!!
Well I'm off to the range either today or tomorrow to shoot my 03A3 and Garand with assorted HXP, just as I have on numerous times in the past 10 years or so.
I was hoping slamfire would answer my question about the likelihood of my blowing up either of these rifles but no such luck.
Guess I'll take my chances. If you never hear from me again you'll know what happened!!!
smithman 10
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HXP today
Well I made it home alive.
I fired maybe 60 rounds or so through the Garand and the 03A3. All but a couple rounds were HXP, some was HXP 77.
It definitely is true that the bolt closes harder in the Springfield when using some HXP rounds as opposed to commercial .30-06, which I also took to compare. But I had no problem with bolt lift and extraction with HXP.
And no problems whatsoever with the Garand.
Seriously, I am truly interested to know if there have been any reports of HXP damaging a gun or a shooter, because I just cannot imagine CMP selling gazillions of rounds of the stuff if there were any real liability issues.
I have quite a bit of HXP and plan to keep on shooting it until it is proven to be unsafe. The hard chambering in the bolt gun is just a nuisance to me, nothing more.
Best part of the afternoon was letting a fellow who had never fired a Garand shoot mine. He got a real charge out of that.
Well I made it home alive.
I fired maybe 60 rounds or so through the Garand and the 03A3. All but a couple rounds were HXP, some was HXP 77.
It definitely is true that the bolt closes harder in the Springfield when using some HXP rounds as opposed to commercial .30-06, which I also took to compare. But I had no problem with bolt lift and extraction with HXP.
And no problems whatsoever with the Garand.
Seriously, I am truly interested to know if there have been any reports of HXP damaging a gun or a shooter, because I just cannot imagine CMP selling gazillions of rounds of the stuff if there were any real liability issues.
I have quite a bit of HXP and plan to keep on shooting it until it is proven to be unsafe. The hard chambering in the bolt gun is just a nuisance to me, nothing more.
Best part of the afternoon was letting a fellow who had never fired a Garand shoot mine. He got a real charge out of that.
CMP doesn't make any guarantees expressed or implied about the surplus ammunition they offer and also assumes no liability if you choose to shoot the stuff.
http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/ammo-parts-accessories/warning-surplus-ammunition/
smithman 10
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HXP
Thanks for the info. I had not ever seen any reports either. Surely if there had been incidents with HXP we would hear about it.
As far as disclaimers, waivers of liability by CMP, etc. goes, my son the lawyer would probably say that they are worthless, in that if a product is defective and causes injury, one can still bring suit and a judge or jury will decide the issue. But since we haven't heard of such happening, I will keep on using the HXP that I have and will probably buy more.
Thanks for the info. I had not ever seen any reports either. Surely if there had been incidents with HXP we would hear about it.
As far as disclaimers, waivers of liability by CMP, etc. goes, my son the lawyer would probably say that they are worthless, in that if a product is defective and causes injury, one can still bring suit and a judge or jury will decide the issue. But since we haven't heard of such happening, I will keep on using the HXP that I have and will probably buy more.
Sorry not to get back sooner, been busy and the rifle match I got ready for last week, darn near killed me Saturday with the heat I experienced. This June weather is more like what July weather used to be.....
Lets talk generalities and specifics. Specifically none of us here know a thing about what the Greeks have in inventory, why they surplused their Garands and the HXP ammunition that the CMP bought and sold to you. Therefore, what we are reading are the fantasy stories created in heads of posters, fantasy because these stories are a sort of Rorschach of ink blots: you see what you want to see. Some posters here must be natural optimists, not knowing anything about stockpile surveillance, the thermo chemistry of gunpowder, they default to their optimistic nature and assume that the Greeks act like ignorant trailer trash and are just clearing out their closets, putting on the curb rare and valuable ammunition, not knowing what they are discarding. Essential to this story is that the Greeks don't have any other 30-06 weapons and therefore don't need that 30-06 anymore.
I am cynical and skeptical by nature, and the story inside my head is that the Greek military is a professional organization. How a professional organization works and operates is entirely different from how ignorant trailer trash function. My story also assumes the Greeks still have in inventory, perhaps as a war reserve, those heavy and light machines that were provided to them during and after the Greek Civil war along with BAR's. I have seen pictures of both in the hands of Greek troops during the Greek Civil war, and since Greece used to be very poor before becoming impoverished under the Euro, keeping obsolete but functional weapons in inventory makes sense to me for a financially strapped nation. I have searched the web and can't find an inventory of what the Greeks actually have for their Regulars and Reserve, but, that is probably a State Secret anyway. Maybe if I had access to Hillary's emails, I could find that classified Greek Nato Inventory, but those emails are something only Hillary, the Russians, and the Chinese have read.
If the Greek Military is a professional organization then they know what they have in inventory (plus or minus data gaps) and the condition thereof. This is distinct from trailer trash who don't know what they have and certainly don't know anything about gunpowder deterioration or even that gunpowder deteriorates. There is an asymmetrical information problem between trailer trash and Professional Organizations, one knows everything about their products, and other takes their word for it. Or make assumptions that put them in debt slavery because creditors write the bankruptcy laws. I assume the Greek military is patriotic and desires to extract the most value for what they have, because it is in the interest of their country, a country of which they had dedicated their lives to, would die for, and therefore they will protect the interests of that nation above all. And if someone wants to buy their ammunition, they will sell off the ammunition that they would have sent to the demilling mill. They would keep the best inventory, and use the money they just acquired selling off old deteriorated ammunition for other things. They are under no obligation to tell the buyer really much of anything. It is up to the buyer to determine the condition and quality. Incidentally, the CMP just passed the liability to buyers of Greek ammunition, correct? A condition of sale is that they don't warranty that stuff at all.
If the Greek military is a professional organization, then they have Ammunition Technicians and Insensitive Munitions experts who are crawling over their stockpile, removing ammunition just at the point it becomes unstable. I am certain all reading this are familiar with Mil Standard 286 or the Propellant Management Guide? http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/docs/prop_guide.pdf
Their experts would be using the exact same test methods as the American standards, because physics and chemistry don't change depending on longitude. What they would be reporting to their supervisors is information similar to these charts I found in the minutes of very old Insensitive Munitions Symposiums:
1969 Insensitive Munitions symposium
1970 Insensitive Munitions symposium
Notice that WW2 ammunition is being discarded in the 60's because it has gone bad.
I also assume the Greeks would issue to their Ammunition Specialists written criteria such as issue to American Ammunition Specialists:
Ammunition Surveillance Procedures SB 742-1
https://acc.dau.mil/adl/en-US/238111/file/68728/SB 742-1 AIN47-13A.pdf
Chapter 13 Propellant and Propelling Charges ,
page 13-1
WARNING
Nitrocellulose-based propellant can become thermally unstable as the age. The normal aging process of the propellants involves deterioration of the nitrocellulose with an accompanying generation of heat. At some point, the propellant may reach a state where heat is generated faster than it can be dissipated. The accumulation of heat can lead to combustion (autoignition). Chemical stabilizers are added to propellants to slow the aging process. In time, the stabilizer levels will drop to a point where the remaining effective stabilizer (RES) is not sufficient to prevent an accelerating rate of decomposition. When this point is reached, the propellant may autoigniet, with possible catastrophic results to property and life. Monitoring the stability level of each propellant lot is essential for continued safe storage.
Page 13-5 , Table 13.2 Propellant Stability Codes.
Stability Category A 0.30 or more Percent Effective Stabilizer
Acceptable stabilizer loss: safe for continued storage
C 0.29-0.20 Percent Effective Stabilizer
Significant stabilizer loss. Lot does not represent an immediate hazard, but is approaching a potentially hazardous stability condition. Loss of stabilizer does adversely affect function in an uploaded configuration. Disposition instructions will be furnished by NAR. All stability category “C” assests on the installation must be reported in writing…
One year after becoming stability category “C” a sample of the bulk propellant lot or the bulk-packed component lot will be retested. If the lot has not deteriorated to category “D”, it will be retested each year until it has been expended, or it has deteriorated to category “D”, at which point it will be demilitarized within 60 days.
D Less than 0.20 Percent Effective Stabilizer
Unacceptable stabilizer loss. Lots identified as stability category “D” present a potential safety hazard and are unsafe for continued storage as bulk, bulk-packed components , or as separate loading propellant chargers. Bulk propellant, bulk –packed components and separate loading propelling charges will be demilitarized within 60 days after notification of category “D” status.
Of course, if the Greek Military is not a professional organization, but instead, is trailer trash, than their behaviors will be based on ignorance and superstition, and therefore will be unpredictable and irrational.
I wish I could pass legislation making me the center of the Universe, or just simply the locus of everything firearm related in the United States. Unfortunately my plans for world domination sort of fell through and I am just an insignificant no body searching the web for information. There is no legal body of jurisprudence requiring American's to tell me when their firearms blow up or when particular gunpowder lots reach instability. Also, I have not been able to acquire the significant resources necessary to buy, among my many other desires, a test laboratory. The Dutch firm TNO has moved things around on their site, but previously I found information that their handy, dandy, portable Gas Chromatography unit was about $250,000 each.
“The delicate matter of lifetime”
https://www.tno.nl/media/2756/def_lucht_levensduur_em4200716173.pdf
So, if you desire to know the condition of your lot of Greek ammunition, you are out of luck if you think I have either a database on the condition of Greek ammunition, or a chemical laboratory to determine the percentage of stabilizer left in the gunpowder. Though, those wishing to donate millions of dollars to me so I can buy my own test laboratory, if there is enough interest, I could set up a paypal account.
I am certain that thirty year old gunpowder is not like new, and not getting any better, and will in time, become worse.
Heck, American Ammunition manufacturer's won't warranty their ammunition past ten years, I don't know if this is a warranty or not:
http://www.federalpremium.com/company/faq.aspx
How many people have ignored the warnings about IMR 4007 and don't understand the implications? We do know that IMR 4007, stuff that has been on the market since 2007, some of it has been bursting into flames:
http://www.ssusa.org/articles/2015/9/2/product-recall-notice-imr-4007-ssc-powder/
by SSUSA Staff - Wednesday, September 2, 2015
What I do have is a knowledge of the laws of thermodynamics and how they apply to gunpowder. That is everything reaches a minimum energy state in time, and gunpowder is a high energy component that is breaking down to a low energy compound the day it leaves the factory. I also know the general criteria used in determining gunpowder stability, and I also know that when gunpowder reaches the end of its shelf life, combustion pressures rise. I have, in some of those links, posted blowup incidents with old gunpowder. None of this will change the minds of those who believe that they and their hoard of cheap ammunition will last forever. Unfortunately for those, they can't take it with them:
I have written extensively on old, deteriorated gunpowder. While the collective shooting community is in denial about this, old gunpowder gets dangerous with age for a number of reasons. These are threads which I provided information on old gunpowder and old ammunition.
Old Powder Caused Fire!
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=788841
Old powder
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=787843
Shelf life of reloads?
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=758305
This is a good thread about shooters that found their military surplus ammunition ain't quite as good as new:
When milsurp ammo goes bad........
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?230264-When-milsurp-ammo-goes-bad
Lawsuits are a game for the rich. Just how much are you willing to spend to recover the value of a rifle? How much free time is your Son willing to spend on you? Why don't you ask him whether the CMP is liable, or the Greek Nation, if your rifle blows up with Greek ammunition?
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Homerboy
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I've only been shooting Garands for 5 years, but HXP is all I have her shot though them. I buy a couple of cans every Christmas from the cmp and I shoot my Garands then. I must have about 2000 rounds left of it.
I'm not gonna throw it away and I'm not gonna buy the new ammo at twice the price. I guess I'll just continue to shoot the HXP. Guys at the cmp that I have talked to seem to have no problem with it. I did have one fail to fire last Christmas. Several tries and it just wouldn't go off. Oh well. Nobody got hurt!
I'm not gonna throw it away and I'm not gonna buy the new ammo at twice the price. I guess I'll just continue to shoot the HXP. Guys at the cmp that I have talked to seem to have no problem with it. I did have one fail to fire last Christmas. Several tries and it just wouldn't go off. Oh well. Nobody got hurt!
You of course are free to do what you want. However after reading all the material I have put into this thread, you should be better educated as to the risks of old surplus ammunition and to the risks of old gunpowder in general. Being ignorant does not make one immune to calamities. Being ignorant does not stop gunpowder deterioration, prevent guns from blowing up, does not prevent malfunctions. But at least if you understand why old ammunition creates pressure problems, you can stop shooting the stuff when you have high pressure issues, and stop before it blows up your firearms.
smithman 10
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HXP
Slamfire - Our power has been out for three days so I've been unable to read/post.
But unless I missed something I still haven't seen any reports from you or anyone else about HXP blowing up a gun or hurting a shooter. Has such a thing ever happened?
We've all read your posts about powder changes over time and most of us have seen old, corroded ammo we wouldn't dare shoot.
But again, has HXP ever been reported to blow up a gun or injure/kill a shooter to your knowledge? Bottom line, that's what those of us shooting HXP want to know.
Slamfire - Our power has been out for three days so I've been unable to read/post.
But unless I missed something I still haven't seen any reports from you or anyone else about HXP blowing up a gun or hurting a shooter. Has such a thing ever happened?
We've all read your posts about powder changes over time and most of us have seen old, corroded ammo we wouldn't dare shoot.
But again, has HXP ever been reported to blow up a gun or injure/kill a shooter to your knowledge? Bottom line, that's what those of us shooting HXP want to know.
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